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i am an audiologist and that sounds like TMJ https://www.tmjtreatmentsc.com/blog/explaining-tinnitus-ear-muscles-jaw-muscles/ https://www.tmjtreatmentsc.com/blo

i am an audiologist and that sounds like TMJ https://www.tmjtreatmentsc.com/blog/explaining-tinnitus-ear-muscles-jaw-muscles/ https://www.tmjtreatmentsc.com/blog/explaining-tinnitus-ear-... ..so yes, it is possible.

seti0Cha 4y ago
Interesting. I don't hear a single frequency, I often, but not always, hear two or more. I wasn't aware until today that this is called double tinnitus and is rare. I have TMJ and tinnitus. I always thought my tinnitus was from going to really loud music shows, but now I'm wondering whether it doesn't have multiple causes, which perhaps explains the different frequencies. Does this seem plausible?
TekMol 4y ago
Interesting. People with TMJ seem to suffer from tinnitus more than twice as often as other people: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30125964/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30125964/ Let's see if there are studies about treating tinnitus via treating TMJ: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=tinnitus+tmj&filter=pubt.randomizedcontrolledtrial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=tinnitus+tmj&filter=pu... My reading of it: Two of the 7 found studies seem to be relevant to this question. Both seem to indicate that treating TMJ also treats tinnitus.
- vprcic 4y ago
  My nugdet of experience to add a data point to this claim. I have TMJ and have had it for as long as I can remember (my jaw clicks every time I open or close my mouth). I developed constant tinnitus in one ear (on the side where the clicks happen) in my early 30s, a few years ago. I was SURE the TMJ was causing my tinnitus, but the doctors dismissed it as non-related. Maybe I should have pushed harder. (I also have voluntary control over the tensor tympani muscle, for what it's worth.)
  - TekMol 4y ago
    That the tinnitus is on the side of th TMJ is interesting. Can you change the frequency/intensity of your tinnitus by changing pressure in the ear with fingers or by moving your jaw?
- cjbgkagh 4y ago
  Not sure on the stats here but I’d speculate that a co-occurrence could be down to hEDS. It’s not as rare as doctors think and it can cause TMJ and tinnitus.
magicalhippo 4y ago
Oh wow, my SO has had sleep issues over a long period of time, where she claims there's a low rumbling noise, like a truck idling far away, preventing her from falling asleep. She's talked with her doctor about it but so far nothing. However she is being treated for having a clenched teeth while sleeping... Just the other day, she noticed that tilting her head in a particular way made the rumbling go away. To us both this indicated that the rumbling must be coming from within, and not an external thing. Could it all be her jaw?!?
- theplumber 4y ago
  It could be related to blood circulation so investigations in that sense may help. Tilting her head in a particular way may relieve some blood vesels.
- Teever 4y ago
  It was for me. Have your SO look into botox for TMJ. It is pricey but life changing.
  - magicalhippo 4y ago
    Thanks, I'll make sure she follows up on that lead. Price is relative to having frequent nights with very poor sleep, so yeah, doesn't take much to be worth it.
- YeahNO 4y ago
  I have muscle tremors that sound like a fluttering or low rumbling at night that sounds very much like this. It's an occasional thing that sounds similar to what I hear when I yawn deeply.
- PcChip 4y ago
  perhaps her tensor tympani is tensing, causing the ear rumble
- cecilpl2 4y ago
  Many people are able to voluntarily control the tensor tympani muscle, which causes a low-pitched rumbling sound in the ears. https://old.reddit.com/r/earrumblersassemble/ https://old.reddit.com/r/earrumblersassemble/ Maybe she has twitches or involuntary tension there?
whitepirate20 4y ago
Are there cures for TMJ? It really kills me
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  Sometimes! I'm a layperson, so you know, verify my stuff with an actual doctor. On to cures: A common first thing is a mouth guard that you wear at night. The one my dentist offered (if mine gets too bad) aligns the teeth, hopefully giving some relief to the joint. My mother gets relief if she makes sure to keep anxiety under control (with medication): Her TMJ will trigger cluster headaches, so this is fairly important for her. Some folks wind up having surgery, but this is a last resort for most folks. And as a sidenote: TMJ is often used to be covered under regular health insurances, though sometimes it is difficult to get it covered (Been a while since I lived in the US, and am unsure of extent of Norwegian coverage)
- Teever 4y ago
  Botox is a very effective but expensive treatment for TMJ. I've had 3 treatments that last about 4-5 months and it has significantly improved my quality of life. It's been over a year since I've had one and the symptoms have started to creep back, but they're mostly induced by alcohol and caffeine (which I've mostly cut out.) Just knowing that there's a treatment that I can get if the pain gets too bad is a huge psychological relief.
- vorpalhex 4y ago
  It depends on why you have TMJ. The first step is to talk to your dentist and get your bite checked, especially if it occurs on a specific side. The second thing is to check your sleep situation, both physical and mental. Is your pillow the correct height and angle? Are you sleeping in a good posture or are you trying to curl into a tiny ball? Are you going to bed relaxed?
clsec 4y ago
Wow, this TMJ connection isn't something I knew about but it seems to make some sense in my case. I've had mild tinnitus for 30+ years that got extremely loud the morning after my second mRNA covid vaccination. But with this new (to me) information I'm starting to question other things such as my spinal cord injury and resulting neuropathy. My trigeminal nerve was also damaged during my neck surgery (from the halo they put your head in) which caused neuropathic problems on my scalp and face for a couple years. And finally, I had stopped taking carbamazepine for the peripheral neuropathy I got from my accident right around the same time I got my second mRNA vax. Hmm.. I'm bummed that I have to search these kinds of things out and bring them to the attention of my doctors but I'm also glad to have new information to talk to my ENT about. Hopefully between this info and the head MRI I'm getting next month I can find some relief.

seti0Cha 4y ago

Interesting. I don't hear a single frequency, I often, but not always, hear two or more. I wasn't aware until today that this is called double tinnitus and is rare. I have TMJ and tinnitus. I always thought my tinnitus was from going to really loud music shows, but now I'm wondering whether it doesn't have multiple causes, which perhaps explains the different frequencies. Does this seem plausible?

TekMol 4y ago

Interesting. People with TMJ seem to suffer from tinnitus more than twice as often as other people: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30125964/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30125964/ Let's see if there are studies about treating tinnitus via treating TMJ: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=tinnitus+tmj&filter=pubt.randomizedcontrolledtrial https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=tinnitus+tmj&filter=pu... My reading of it: Two of the 7 found studies seem to be relevant to this question. Both seem to indicate that treating TMJ also treats tinnitus.

vprcic 4y ago
My nugdet of experience to add a data point to this claim. I have TMJ and have had it for as long as I can remember (my jaw clicks every time I open or close my mouth). I developed constant tinnitus in one ear (on the side where the clicks happen) in my early 30s, a few years ago. I was SURE the TMJ was causing my tinnitus, but the doctors dismissed it as non-related. Maybe I should have pushed harder. (I also have voluntary control over the tensor tympani muscle, for what it's worth.)
- TekMol 4y ago
  That the tinnitus is on the side of th TMJ is interesting. Can you change the frequency/intensity of your tinnitus by changing pressure in the ear with fingers or by moving your jaw?
cjbgkagh 4y ago
Not sure on the stats here but I’d speculate that a co-occurrence could be down to hEDS. It’s not as rare as doctors think and it can cause TMJ and tinnitus.

magicalhippo 4y ago

Oh wow, my SO has had sleep issues over a long period of time, where she claims there's a low rumbling noise, like a truck idling far away, preventing her from falling asleep. She's talked with her doctor about it but so far nothing. However she is being treated for having a clenched teeth while sleeping... Just the other day, she noticed that tilting her head in a particular way made the rumbling go away. To us both this indicated that the rumbling must be coming from within, and not an external thing. Could it all be her jaw?!?

theplumber 4y ago
It could be related to blood circulation so investigations in that sense may help. Tilting her head in a particular way may relieve some blood vesels.
Teever 4y ago
It was for me. Have your SO look into botox for TMJ. It is pricey but life changing.
- magicalhippo 4y ago
  Thanks, I'll make sure she follows up on that lead. Price is relative to having frequent nights with very poor sleep, so yeah, doesn't take much to be worth it.
YeahNO 4y ago
I have muscle tremors that sound like a fluttering or low rumbling at night that sounds very much like this. It's an occasional thing that sounds similar to what I hear when I yawn deeply.
PcChip 4y ago
perhaps her tensor tympani is tensing, causing the ear rumble
cecilpl2 4y ago
Many people are able to voluntarily control the tensor tympani muscle, which causes a low-pitched rumbling sound in the ears. https://old.reddit.com/r/earrumblersassemble/ https://old.reddit.com/r/earrumblersassemble/ Maybe she has twitches or involuntary tension there?

whitepirate20 4y ago

Are there cures for TMJ? It really kills me

Broken_Hippo 4y ago
Sometimes! I'm a layperson, so you know, verify my stuff with an actual doctor. On to cures: A common first thing is a mouth guard that you wear at night. The one my dentist offered (if mine gets too bad) aligns the teeth, hopefully giving some relief to the joint. My mother gets relief if she makes sure to keep anxiety under control (with medication): Her TMJ will trigger cluster headaches, so this is fairly important for her. Some folks wind up having surgery, but this is a last resort for most folks. And as a sidenote: TMJ is often used to be covered under regular health insurances, though sometimes it is difficult to get it covered (Been a while since I lived in the US, and am unsure of extent of Norwegian coverage)
Teever 4y ago
Botox is a very effective but expensive treatment for TMJ. I've had 3 treatments that last about 4-5 months and it has significantly improved my quality of life. It's been over a year since I've had one and the symptoms have started to creep back, but they're mostly induced by alcohol and caffeine (which I've mostly cut out.) Just knowing that there's a treatment that I can get if the pain gets too bad is a huge psychological relief.
vorpalhex 4y ago
It depends on why you have TMJ. The first step is to talk to your dentist and get your bite checked, especially if it occurs on a specific side. The second thing is to check your sleep situation, both physical and mental. Is your pillow the correct height and angle? Are you sleeping in a good posture or are you trying to curl into a tiny ball? Are you going to bed relaxed?

clsec 4y ago

Wow, this TMJ connection isn't something I knew about but it seems to make some sense in my case. I've had mild tinnitus for 30+ years that got extremely loud the morning after my second mRNA covid vaccination. But with this new (to me) information I'm starting to question other things such as my spinal cord injury and resulting neuropathy. My trigeminal nerve was also damaged during my neck surgery (from the halo they put your head in) which caused neuropathic problems on my scalp and face for a couple years. And finally, I had stopped taking carbamazepine for the peripheral neuropathy I got from my accident right around the same time I got my second mRNA vax. Hmm.. I'm bummed that I have to search these kinds of things out and bring them to the attention of my doctors but I'm also glad to have new information to talk to my ENT about. Hopefully between this info and the head MRI I'm getting next month I can find some relief.