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We're all gonna be so screwed if Firefox dies.

neop1x 4y ago
I mainly use Kiwi browser on Android which is Chromium fork with full extension support and DevTools. It is not update very often and I can feel that they are in need of more maintainers but it still works best for me. I stopped using Firefox since they restricted addons and removed about:config
washadjeffmad 4y ago
Fork the web. I'd be down for a non-commercial / ad hostile design.
- adrr 4y ago
  And who pays for it?
- piaste 4y ago
  Sounds like Gemini.
  - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
    >In terms of simplicity, the native content type, “gemtext”, is meant to be loaded in a single request, therefore there are no inline images, no iFrames, fonts, scripts or anything else. Good luck replacing the web with request/response markdown. I would figure at the least something that could serve Wikipedia would be a bare minimum.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
      It sounds like that can serve wikipedia, just without inline pictures. In fact, the cursory reading suggests that you can even have pictures if they're not in line. I admit that that's a small step down from the current experience, but it might be worth it.
      - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
        I guess the larger picture is we all know the internet-at-large community would never accept it. Can you imagine ATT or Amazon or whatever company website as a slightly fancier markdown file? The only people that would do it are blogger types.
        yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
        Yes, that's true. Although in some ways that's not a problem with the technology; companies would hate it in no small part because it limits the anti-user things they can do, which is part of the appeal.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
Or morphs itself into another Chrome in search of more revenue to support their new corporate lifestyle. I'm more worried about that. Since they made it a corporation with all the usual trimmings like an overpaid CEO they are becoming like all the other big tech. Flirting with big investors, looking at ROIs. All those paths lead the same way and it's away from the user.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  This really can't be overstated. The CEO's compensation has skyrocketed for years while by every objective measure the Mozilla is struggling if not outright failing at its mission - with a continuously declining market share. It baffles me that Mozilla had/has multiple offices located in some of the most expensive real estate markets in the world. Not just in those markets, but in the very-most expensive parts of said markets. For example, in Boston they're dead center downtown, for no explicable reason other than the prestige.
  - kibwen 4y ago
    I don't think Mozilla has any office presence in downtown Boston? They used to rent a tiny co-working space there for Boston-based employees to use if they felt like it, but I think they got rid of it well before the pandemic.
  - mekster 4y ago
    Mozilla had more money than they had ever dreamed thanks to Google contract and they failed to realize how to properly utilize it and must be blind spending. It feels like a kid who received 5 games for Christmas and doesn't know what to do.
- tartoran 4y ago
  That’s pretty much the same as dying..
- adhesive_wombat 4y ago
  It's frustrating that "filling a niche and filling it well" is just anathema these days. Everyone is hustling to become a trillion dollar whatever, and burning customers, money and good will in the process. There should be nothing wrong with just bring good at what you do and not seeking endless expansion (and yes, I know, it's actually dangerous because you're vulnerable to predation in that position).

I mainly use Kiwi browser on Android which is Chromium fork with full extension support and DevTools. It is not update very often and I can feel that they are in need of more maintainers but it still works best for me. I stopped using Firefox since they restricted addons and removed about:config

washadjeffmad 4y ago

Fork the web. I'd be down for a non-commercial / ad hostile design.

adrr 4y ago
And who pays for it?
piaste 4y ago
Sounds like Gemini.
- SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
  >In terms of simplicity, the native content type, “gemtext”, is meant to be loaded in a single request, therefore there are no inline images, no iFrames, fonts, scripts or anything else. Good luck replacing the web with request/response markdown. I would figure at the least something that could serve Wikipedia would be a bare minimum.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    It sounds like that can serve wikipedia, just without inline pictures. In fact, the cursory reading suggests that you can even have pictures if they're not in line. I admit that that's a small step down from the current experience, but it might be worth it.
    - SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
      I guess the larger picture is we all know the internet-at-large community would never accept it. Can you imagine ATT or Amazon or whatever company website as a slightly fancier markdown file? The only people that would do it are blogger types.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
        Yes, that's true. Although in some ways that's not a problem with the technology; companies would hate it in no small part because it limits the anti-user things they can do, which is part of the appeal.

GekkePrutser 4y ago

Or morphs itself into another Chrome in search of more revenue to support their new corporate lifestyle. I'm more worried about that. Since they made it a corporation with all the usual trimmings like an overpaid CEO they are becoming like all the other big tech. Flirting with big investors, looking at ROIs. All those paths lead the same way and it's away from the user.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
This really can't be overstated. The CEO's compensation has skyrocketed for years while by every objective measure the Mozilla is struggling if not outright failing at its mission - with a continuously declining market share. It baffles me that Mozilla had/has multiple offices located in some of the most expensive real estate markets in the world. Not just in those markets, but in the very-most expensive parts of said markets. For example, in Boston they're dead center downtown, for no explicable reason other than the prestige.
- kibwen 4y ago
  I don't think Mozilla has any office presence in downtown Boston? They used to rent a tiny co-working space there for Boston-based employees to use if they felt like it, but I think they got rid of it well before the pandemic.
- mekster 4y ago
  Mozilla had more money than they had ever dreamed thanks to Google contract and they failed to realize how to properly utilize it and must be blind spending. It feels like a kid who received 5 games for Christmas and doesn't know what to do.
tartoran 4y ago
That’s pretty much the same as dying..
adhesive_wombat 4y ago
It's frustrating that "filling a niche and filling it well" is just anathema these days. Everyone is hustling to become a trillion dollar whatever, and burning customers, money and good will in the process. There should be nothing wrong with just bring good at what you do and not seeking endless expansion (and yes, I know, it's actually dangerous because you're vulnerable to predation in that position).