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What Does Israel Fear from This ‘Terrorist’? (2021)
- ciconia 4y agohttps://archive.ph/xmaPp https://archive.ph/xmaPp
- kayotetem 4y ago
- jacooper 4y agoSingle occupation*
- fffobar 4y agoThe most fascinating fact about the state of Israel is that it is in an on-again-off-again state of war for something like the last 4000 years. I cannot fathom how is it possible for neither sides to win, especially the broadly speaking Arab side. Now with the nuclear arsenal and the very competent military they'll most likely survive at least till the first nuclear war, whenever that happens.
- aa-jv 4y agoThe goal is not to win. The goal is to extract immense profit from the products of war.
- assbuttbuttass 4y agoNot sure what you mean, "the state of Israel" was created in 1948, it's less than 80 years old
- fffobar 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
- hpcjoe 4y agoThe modern state of Israel declared its independence in 1948 (and was immediately attacked by all of its neighbors, something which re-occurred multiple times). The ancient "state" of Israel has been in that land for north of 3000 years. As archaeological evidence continues to demonstrate.
- nyokodo 4y ago> The ancient "state" of Israel has been in that land for north of 3000 years With a ~2500 year gap between the fall of the Iron Age kingdoms of Israel and Judah and the 1948 modern state.
- hpcjoe 4y agoAnd continuous presence of jews in that land for the entire time. Your point?
- inawarminister 4y agoyes, under the name of Palestinian Jews.
- ethotool 4y ago[flagged]
- ethotool 4y agoPalestinians lived there for over 2000 years. Mainly Muslims and Christians but also a small percentage of Palestinian Jews (1%). It wasn’t until Zionisim and the movement that was first founded before WWI who conspired with the British to illegally take over Palestinian lands and expel over 750,000 refugees to neighboring countries.
- sstein0 4y ago
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- hpcjoe 4y agoSource for the historical "facts" ? I'd love to read up on this. The 750k refugees "expelled" (overwhelming historical documentary evidence exists of the vast majority leaving as a result of their leaders telling them to leave so they could kill the jews, and then let them come back) seems to omit the 850k (again historically well documented) jews expelled from arab lands post 1948. Simple google searches will provide sources to the historical material I referenced.
- zen_1 4y agoThe "Arab leaders told the Palestinians to flee" line is an old and tired piece of zionist propaganda, mostly used to "justify" the double standard of barring Palestinians whose grandparents were expelled (by claiming they left of their own flee will) from returning to Palestine, while extending the right of return to foreign Jews whose last ancestors who lived in the region most likely did so under the Roman empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus#%22Arab_leaders'_endorsement_of_flight%22_explanation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian... I fail to see why anyone would need to encourage Palestinians to flee, when they were subject to ethnic cleansing such as at Deir Yassin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
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- tom-thistime 4y agoWhat nation is not in an on-again-off-again state of war throughout its existence? I think that may be the rule, not the exception.
- fffobar 4y agoFair point. I guess the difference is the lack of strategic alliances throughout the history with anyone in the area. There were tactical alliances, even with Iran somewhat recently (Operation Opera), but nothing long lasting and "solid". In other words, the environment has always been pretty hostile.
- ethotool 4y agoIMO when all is said and done the human rights abuses against the Palestinians will go down as one of the worst in history.
- achenet 4y agodisagree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide
- ethotool 4y agoPalestinians are still suffering today as we speak. Why don’t you show me human rights abuses that have been happening for 80 years and are still ongoing?
- achenet 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_history_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_histor... Slavery in the American colonies went from ~1526 to 1776 (250 years), plus another ~90 years post independence. Palestinians can still vote, and are considered to be actual people, with the right to self-determination. Also, Soviet Union, China.
- sstein0 4y ago[flagged]
- littlestymaar 4y agoAs terrible as they are, the abuses against Palestinian are tragically banal, it's just men performing yet another ethnic cleansing of one land they consider their own, and not even by the “worse” methods (deprivation of rights, and deportation, which are arguably less bad than straight massacres).
- jacooper 4y agoThe entire state is built on illegality and thugs. Israel is an illegal occupation started by the British government, that turned into an Apartheid occupation later on. They still want the world to believe they are Democratic, while they lack a single thing of a real democracy. Their propaganda machine is what kept it alive. They turned antisemitism to basically being anti-israel and anti-occupation, pretending to be a democracy while occupying a land they have no right to. The affect of Israeli propaganda is super clear when comparing the coverage of the Russian occupation in Ukraine, and the Zionist occupation in Palestine. But luckily their propaganda is getting defeated left, right and center, because the truth is finally available to the masses because of social media (which themselves try to censor Palestinians). And they are killing journalists covering the truth(1) and innocent childern(2). Its an illegal apartheid occupation that will end, its just a matter of time, just like what happened in south Africa. 1. https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1560172508426522624 https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1560172508426522624 2. https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1558094704645787652 https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1558094704645787652
- dang 4y agoPlease don't use HN for political/ideological/national/racial/religious battle. It leads to hellish flamewars. We don't want those here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- treeman79 4y agoWell Europe has just finished killing six million Jews. The entire region wants to kill them all. By all means let’s blame the victims for defending themselves.
- tarakat 4y ago"Europe"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't more than half of Europe fight, kill, and die to stop the dictator that was killing Jews? But you'd rather the whole continent feels guilty, instead of proud of their sacrifices?
- tarakat 4y agoGiven the significant financial and military aid the US provides Israel, this video illustrates who a US voter can pick if they are concerned about Israeli human rights violations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KY2_qaROFY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KY2_qaROFY