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There is a legitimate problem with malware that hijacks all traffic via VPN. Maybe you should hear other side before making judgement!

ignoramous 4y ago
> There is a legitimate problem with malware that hijacks all traffic via VPN Facebook comes to mind: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=onavo https://hn.algolia.com/?query=onavo
raxxorraxor 4y ago
There is also a legitimate problem where companies protect their business case with an argument of security.
zbird 4y ago
Like Facebook? https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/
esrauch 4y ago
The only reason people are resorting to vpn for adblocking is because Android Chrome and the OS otherwise doesn't allow for ad blocking any other way through...
- hocuspocus 4y ago
  Android and Chrome OS support DNS-over-TLS/HTTPS. DNS based adblocking is obviously not perfect, but good enough in practice.
  - nottorp 4y ago
    In-browser ad blocking is the perfect solution, they just need to allow it and make money through honest means. Both Google and Apple.
ojagodzinski 4y ago
Ok, so using the same logic we should ban all car traffic because someone was raped in a taxi?
- thro388 4y ago
  No, this is more like taxi drivers complaining about extra regulations, put on place, bcos someone got raped in taxi.
  - veeti 4y ago
    The "extra regulation" being their entire livelihood taken away.
weberer 4y ago
There is also a legitimate problem with malware being transmitted through ads.
- zbird 4y ago
  It's so bad, that even the NSA and CIA recommend an ad blocker. https://www.vice.com/en/article/93ypke/the-nsa-and-cia-use-ad-blockers-because-online-advertising-is-so-dangerous https://www.vice.com/en/article/93ypke/the-nsa-and-cia-use-a...
anonymousab 4y ago
> There is a legitimate problem with malware... This is a statement and argument that can and is used against any form of user control over their devices, user customization, or general computing.
- gordaco 4y ago
  "But security!" has been the "won't somebody please think of the children" of the technology world for a long time. The end goal, intentional or not, is the same: restricting freedoms (or, on a shorter term, ignore valid criticism). Unfortunately, at least in the tech world it seems to be a great success. We now have walled gardens and unskippable updates. The next step, "trusted computing" (which is ultimately using a whitelist to forbid the usage of certain software), is already halfway here.

ignoramous 4y ago

> There is a legitimate problem with malware that hijacks all traffic via VPN Facebook comes to mind: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=onavo https://hn.algolia.com/?query=onavo

raxxorraxor 4y ago

There is also a legitimate problem where companies protect their business case with an argument of security.

zbird 4y ago

Like Facebook? https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/29/facebook-project-atlas/

esrauch 4y ago

The only reason people are resorting to vpn for adblocking is because Android Chrome and the OS otherwise doesn't allow for ad blocking any other way through...

hocuspocus 4y ago
Android and Chrome OS support DNS-over-TLS/HTTPS. DNS based adblocking is obviously not perfect, but good enough in practice.
- nottorp 4y ago
  In-browser ad blocking is the perfect solution, they just need to allow it and make money through honest means. Both Google and Apple.

ojagodzinski 4y ago

Ok, so using the same logic we should ban all car traffic because someone was raped in a taxi?

thro388 4y ago
No, this is more like taxi drivers complaining about extra regulations, put on place, bcos someone got raped in taxi.
- veeti 4y ago
  The "extra regulation" being their entire livelihood taken away.

weberer 4y ago

There is also a legitimate problem with malware being transmitted through ads.

zbird 4y ago
It's so bad, that even the NSA and CIA recommend an ad blocker. https://www.vice.com/en/article/93ypke/the-nsa-and-cia-use-ad-blockers-because-online-advertising-is-so-dangerous https://www.vice.com/en/article/93ypke/the-nsa-and-cia-use-a...

anonymousab 4y ago

> There is a legitimate problem with malware... This is a statement and argument that can and is used against any form of user control over their devices, user customization, or general computing.

gordaco 4y ago
"But security!" has been the "won't somebody please think of the children" of the technology world for a long time. The end goal, intentional or not, is the same: restricting freedoms (or, on a shorter term, ignore valid criticism). Unfortunately, at least in the tech world it seems to be a great success. We now have walled gardens and unskippable updates. The next step, "trusted computing" (which is ultimately using a whitelist to forbid the usage of certain software), is already halfway here.