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I can generate many violent prompts right now, and the model knows the face of hundreds of celebrities (you would think they would garble those to prevent PR di

by epups 4y ago

I can generate many violent prompts right now, and the model knows the face of hundreds of celebrities (you would think they would garble those to prevent PR disasters). It knows what the 9/11 attack was, it knows about nuclear bombs, horror, gore. Yet somehow it doesn't know what a blowjob is. This is 100% about narrow-minded, prudish conservative values. And yes, most of them come from the US right now, because these models are not being trained in Africa, India or China. Your argument is entirely descriptive. We know why they do this. What should be argued here is how stupid and sad it is to block progress due to nothing more than religious or moral values.

deanCommie 4y ago
Tell me, earnestly, what progress is being blocked by your inability to use AI to generate an image of a blowjob. I don't mean this in a moralistic sense. I have no qualms about images of blowjobs. I have no doubt that the porn industry has already deployed these models and is experimenting with this without filters. As a monetizable way to reduce the human costs, it's an entirely logical step, and adult performers should be as nervous as artists, and talking to lawyers. But PROGRESS???
- epups 4y ago
  It's funny because you spell out a use case that can represent undeniable progress: artificial porn. Porn with no component of human suffering, yet realistic and personalized. A dream product, no doubt. By what metric is this not progress, except a puritanical/religious one? Moreover, sexuality is perhaps the most important theme in art, historically. It is a very legitimate thing to want to include in a tool such as this one. Its censorship is akin to "moral codes" of the past, completely regressive.
  - deanCommie 4y ago
    I'm not as sure that artificial porn is undeniable progress. While I am entirely pro liberty in terms of consumption of pornography, it is not a replacement for human interaction, and can be used in conjunction with other tools to dehumanize and isolate individuals. Some individuals that then make negative contributions to the rest of society at large. These are not isolated incidents, and they've been rising: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism There are many kinds of porn - some that exploit women, some that empower them in their production. And there are also many kinds of products - ones that focus on a human connection (whether vanilla or kinky) and ones that don't. I would absolutely worry that artificial porn would be good enough to meet some of these demands but not most, and would ultimately be a net negative for society. > Moreover, sexuality is perhaps the most important theme in art, historically. I mean, it's demonstrably not, religious art imagery dominates by volume. But that's also not necessarily important - that's just who happened to be patrons of arts and had the means to commission them. I'm not gonna deny that humans are horny and want to make lots of sexy art. But you're also not going to get porn on basic cable. You have to seek that out extra for yourself, and that's going to be the case with AI-generated porn art also.

by epups 4y ago

deanCommie 4y ago

Tell me, earnestly, what progress is being blocked by your inability to use AI to generate an image of a blowjob. I don't mean this in a moralistic sense. I have no qualms about images of blowjobs. I have no doubt that the porn industry has already deployed these models and is experimenting with this without filters. As a monetizable way to reduce the human costs, it's an entirely logical step, and adult performers should be as nervous as artists, and talking to lawyers. But PROGRESS???

epups 4y ago
It's funny because you spell out a use case that can represent undeniable progress: artificial porn. Porn with no component of human suffering, yet realistic and personalized. A dream product, no doubt. By what metric is this not progress, except a puritanical/religious one? Moreover, sexuality is perhaps the most important theme in art, historically. It is a very legitimate thing to want to include in a tool such as this one. Its censorship is akin to "moral codes" of the past, completely regressive.
- deanCommie 4y ago
  I'm not as sure that artificial porn is undeniable progress. While I am entirely pro liberty in terms of consumption of pornography, it is not a replacement for human interaction, and can be used in conjunction with other tools to dehumanize and isolate individuals. Some individuals that then make negative contributions to the rest of society at large. These are not isolated incidents, and they've been rising: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism There are many kinds of porn - some that exploit women, some that empower them in their production. And there are also many kinds of products - ones that focus on a human connection (whether vanilla or kinky) and ones that don't. I would absolutely worry that artificial porn would be good enough to meet some of these demands but not most, and would ultimately be a net negative for society. > Moreover, sexuality is perhaps the most important theme in art, historically. I mean, it's demonstrably not, religious art imagery dominates by volume. But that's also not necessarily important - that's just who happened to be patrons of arts and had the means to commission them. I'm not gonna deny that humans are horny and want to make lots of sexy art. But you're also not going to get porn on basic cable. You have to seek that out extra for yourself, and that's going to be the case with AI-generated porn art also.