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It’s a non-stop parade of weirdness. Fixes from recent BIOS release notes include things like “Fix battery not charging when system is off.” https://knowledgeb

It’s a non-stop parade of weirdness. Fixes from recent BIOS release notes include things like “Fix battery not charging when system is off.” https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/framework-laptop-bios https://knowledgebase.frame.work/en_us/framework-laptop-bios... Again, part of me is glad I supported them. I just wish I wasn’t reminded of it several times a week when I’m dealing with one random issue or another with it. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I regret it more than any other large technology purchase I’ve ever made. If it weren’t for the principal of the matter I’d just cut my losses, buy something else, and put this thing in a closet.

kzrdude 4y ago
That's a shame. Maybe you could still sell it (pass on the principles to someone with no startup to run) and get a better laptop. Thanks for the elaboration.
movover 4y ago
I'm curious, do you have a 11th gen or 12th gen Framework? I have a 12th gen 1280P Framework which runs Pop!_OS that I received a month ago, and have yet to run into a single issue of any kind. I wonder if the issues you've faced are due to being an early adopter, wherein they may have fixed some of those issues with their second revision. I also run a startup from it, wherein it's my software development machine when I don't feel like sitting at my desktop. It would need to be flawless in order to accomplish that as I can't really tolerate any downtime due to computer issues especially when I have a fully functioning high-end desktop, and flawless it has been. In fact, this is the first laptop that doesn't make me miss my desktop from being too slow or otherwise not performing the way I'd like. Charging works regardless of the laptop being on or off, it performs beyond my expectations with no thermal issues while pushing the processor to its limit (something other laptops have always failed at for me), and the various expansion cards all work very well regardless of what configuration they're in. Overall, I've been regarding it as one of the best purchases I've made recently. After a month of ownership and using it over my desktop, I can honestly say that I picked the right laptop. I would lambaste the laptop if it had issues, but I can't think of one time over the past month where it's been problematic. This doesn't even touch on the fact that if I were to have an issue, Framework's support has seemed to be very responsive based on others' reports (especially for a startup), and the fact that I can continue to use the laptop or even just have it in my possession while whichever replacement part is being shipped out. This alone would make me choose this laptop over any other.
newaccount74 4y ago
To be fair, the widely praised 16" Macbook Pro had a very similar issue. The battery did not charge via USB-C when computer is off and lid is closed, if I recall correctly. I don't know if they fixed it, in practise my computer is almost never off. There is also an issue where the built-in webcam stops working and you need to restart the computer to get it to work again. Considering how much I spent on the machine I was hoping not to be bothered by issues like this...
- windowsrookie 4y ago
  That issue was fixed last year (2 months after the MacBook was released). https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/macos-monterey-12-1-bug-fixes/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/macos-monterey-12-1-bug...
telarson 4y ago
I haven't had the same issues with my framework. I'm running an Intel 11-gen i5 version of a framework I bought in Feb of '22. Sure the battery life sucks for Fedora and the trackpad is a overly sensitive but overall it's worked fine for me. I complained to them about a noisy fan and they sent me a new one. Perhaps there's some variability in the build quality between machines or batches. I've been happy with my purchase.

kzrdude 4y ago

That's a shame. Maybe you could still sell it (pass on the principles to someone with no startup to run) and get a better laptop. Thanks for the elaboration.

movover 4y ago

I'm curious, do you have a 11th gen or 12th gen Framework? I have a 12th gen 1280P Framework which runs Pop!_OS that I received a month ago, and have yet to run into a single issue of any kind. I wonder if the issues you've faced are due to being an early adopter, wherein they may have fixed some of those issues with their second revision. I also run a startup from it, wherein it's my software development machine when I don't feel like sitting at my desktop. It would need to be flawless in order to accomplish that as I can't really tolerate any downtime due to computer issues especially when I have a fully functioning high-end desktop, and flawless it has been. In fact, this is the first laptop that doesn't make me miss my desktop from being too slow or otherwise not performing the way I'd like. Charging works regardless of the laptop being on or off, it performs beyond my expectations with no thermal issues while pushing the processor to its limit (something other laptops have always failed at for me), and the various expansion cards all work very well regardless of what configuration they're in. Overall, I've been regarding it as one of the best purchases I've made recently. After a month of ownership and using it over my desktop, I can honestly say that I picked the right laptop. I would lambaste the laptop if it had issues, but I can't think of one time over the past month where it's been problematic. This doesn't even touch on the fact that if I were to have an issue, Framework's support has seemed to be very responsive based on others' reports (especially for a startup), and the fact that I can continue to use the laptop or even just have it in my possession while whichever replacement part is being shipped out. This alone would make me choose this laptop over any other.

newaccount74 4y ago

To be fair, the widely praised 16" Macbook Pro had a very similar issue. The battery did not charge via USB-C when computer is off and lid is closed, if I recall correctly. I don't know if they fixed it, in practise my computer is almost never off. There is also an issue where the built-in webcam stops working and you need to restart the computer to get it to work again. Considering how much I spent on the machine I was hoping not to be bothered by issues like this...

windowsrookie 4y ago
That issue was fixed last year (2 months after the MacBook was released). https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/macos-monterey-12-1-bug-fixes/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/07/macos-monterey-12-1-bug...

telarson 4y ago

I haven't had the same issues with my framework. I'm running an Intel 11-gen i5 version of a framework I bought in Feb of '22. Sure the battery life sucks for Fedora and the trackpad is a overly sensitive but overall it's worked fine for me. I complained to them about a noisy fan and they sent me a new one. Perhaps there's some variability in the build quality between machines or batches. I've been happy with my purchase.