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How come sundanese, javanese, balinese, gamelan doesn't count into oldest song.
by solarized 4y ago
How come sundanese, javanese, balinese, gamelan doesn't count into oldest song.
- riffraff 4y agoAre there written records of gamelan music from >3400 years ago?
- mrwh 4y ago"In Javanese mythology, the gamelan was created by Sang Hyang Guru in Saka era 167 (c. AD 230)" According to Wikipedia. Presumably there's a history of protogamelans, but still.
- erklik 4y ago> mythology maybe that's why? Do we know if it's actually created in AD 230?
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- coldtea 4y ago>In Javanese mythology, the gamelan was created by Sang Hyang Guru in Saka era 167 (c. AD 230) So? (a) that's still 1000s of years later than the one above. (b) that's in the mythology, not an actual historical song found in some inscription or something...
- shp0ngle 4y agoIn Sumer/Akkadia/Babylonia/Mesopotamia (sorry, I always confuse them with each other) we have oldest writings ever and oldest songs ever, simply because they used burned clay to write stuff and that survives the longest. Other cultures either didn’t write stuff down, or they did, but on less resilient material. For example Egypt civilisation is probably older, but they used papyrus, which survives less than clay. edit: I guess I am wrong, see below So this song is not really “oldest song ever”, that is a hyperbole, but oldest surviving writing of a song.
- wl 4y agoThis is not true. The civilizations in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia invented writing around the same time. Sure, hieratic or cursive hieroglyphs in ink on papyrus is less durable than cuneiform impressed in clay (which more often than not, was not intentionally baked). But the Egyptians also carved and painted hieroglyphs in/on stone and that's plenty durable. Also, papyrus in Egypt survives much better than elsewhere because of the hot and dry climate. There's writing on papyrus that's 4,500 years old. The disagreement over whether writing was first invented in Egypt or Mesopotamia is mostly one of delineating writing and protowriting. There's plenty of examples in both cultures of markings from both sides of that divide, wherever it may actually lie.
- shp0ngle 4y agookay, maybe I am wrong then, this is what I was taught.
- bregma 4y agoBut writing about music is like dancing about architecture.
- kurupt213 4y agoThere is nothing to substantiate the claim that Egyptian writing developed contemporarily to Sumerian. Sumer predates Egypt by almost 1,000 years