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There's no word in the english language for how tragic this is. As a sister comment mentioned, the cruelty is the point. It's a long shot, but is there any mat

There's no word in the english language for how tragic this is. As a sister comment mentioned, the cruelty is the point. It's a long shot, but is there any material way of helping these artists be able to take their art with them again? Making noise at specific people? Organizations that specifically target these broken freedoms? Artistic freedom in particular is a very near and dear subject to me, and would greatly appreciate pointers here if there's any existing work done here.

737min 4y ago
- googlryas 4y ago
  Shouldn't they be charged and convicted of a crime if any of this were true? It might actually be preferable. If you look at the scant few people who were in Guantanamo and were actually convicted of a crime, you'll see that they've been living free lives for 10 years already.
- stephen_g 4y ago
  There are cases of completely innocent people ending up in Guantanamo purely by mistaken identity and being arbitrarily detained and tortured for years. Others are likely there only on account of faulty intelligence. As far as I recall, none (or only very few) of the detainees have actually been tried or convicted of anything...
  - notch656a 4y ago
    There's a sad story of a guy who got released from Guantanamo. No one wanted to take him back, including the country he grew up in. I think he got sent to Serbia or Kosovo or something and he's not allowed to work, basically do anything. Anyone who associates with him gets harassed. Basically lives off a small stipend in a cramped studio and the police prevent him from doing much more than walking down the block to buy something to eat. Hopefully someone here can point out the video because I've forgotten his name. Edit: found it, here's the story https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61609417 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61609417
- nextaccountic 4y ago
  How is it possible that a man spent 20 years imprisoned without being charged with a crime, any crime? How is it possible that the US government is now doing an "oopsie, my bad" and just releasing him? Is he perhaps not the dangerous terrorist you think he is?
unknownaccount 4y ago
- Aerroon 4y ago
  How would you feel if your loved ones were kidnapped from their homes, brought to a foreign country, held for 20 years, but were never convicted of a crime? At this point it's pretty much the duty of the US government to give them lavish lives. This is inhumane treatment.
  - iJohnDoe 4y ago
    At this point, anyone still be held has been proven to be directly or indirectly guilty of being involved in cowardly terrorist attacks intended to kill innocent men, women, and children. If you do some research, the ones still there have been confirmed.
    - semicolon_storm 4y ago
      The article in the OP starts off with an artist who has been held there 20 years and not even charged with a crime. How can his guilt be confirmed if he was never even charged?
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      How can anything be proven if there was no court and no judge to examine this 'proof'?
    - labster 4y ago
      You’d think so, but no. Non-citizens in United States territories possess no civil rights. None at all. And definitely not a right to trial or to avoid false imprisonment.
      - rootusrootus 4y ago
        > Non-citizens in United States territories possess no civil rights You sure about that? I believe US territories are subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution. Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, is notably not a US territory.

737min 4y ago

googlryas 4y ago
Shouldn't they be charged and convicted of a crime if any of this were true? It might actually be preferable. If you look at the scant few people who were in Guantanamo and were actually convicted of a crime, you'll see that they've been living free lives for 10 years already.
stephen_g 4y ago
There are cases of completely innocent people ending up in Guantanamo purely by mistaken identity and being arbitrarily detained and tortured for years. Others are likely there only on account of faulty intelligence. As far as I recall, none (or only very few) of the detainees have actually been tried or convicted of anything...
- notch656a 4y ago
  There's a sad story of a guy who got released from Guantanamo. No one wanted to take him back, including the country he grew up in. I think he got sent to Serbia or Kosovo or something and he's not allowed to work, basically do anything. Anyone who associates with him gets harassed. Basically lives off a small stipend in a cramped studio and the police prevent him from doing much more than walking down the block to buy something to eat. Hopefully someone here can point out the video because I've forgotten his name. Edit: found it, here's the story https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61609417 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61609417
nextaccountic 4y ago
How is it possible that a man spent 20 years imprisoned without being charged with a crime, any crime? How is it possible that the US government is now doing an "oopsie, my bad" and just releasing him? Is he perhaps not the dangerous terrorist you think he is?

unknownaccount 4y ago

Aerroon 4y ago
How would you feel if your loved ones were kidnapped from their homes, brought to a foreign country, held for 20 years, but were never convicted of a crime? At this point it's pretty much the duty of the US government to give them lavish lives. This is inhumane treatment.
- iJohnDoe 4y ago
  At this point, anyone still be held has been proven to be directly or indirectly guilty of being involved in cowardly terrorist attacks intended to kill innocent men, women, and children. If you do some research, the ones still there have been confirmed.
  - semicolon_storm 4y ago
    The article in the OP starts off with an artist who has been held there 20 years and not even charged with a crime. How can his guilt be confirmed if he was never even charged?
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    How can anything be proven if there was no court and no judge to examine this 'proof'?
  - labster 4y ago
    You’d think so, but no. Non-citizens in United States territories possess no civil rights. None at all. And definitely not a right to trial or to avoid false imprisonment.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      > Non-citizens in United States territories possess no civil rights You sure about that? I believe US territories are subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution. Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, is notably not a US territory.