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The best holodeck prompt was when Moriarty gets created with an intelligence that can rival Data and he takes control of the enterprise. :-) https://youtu.be/m

The best holodeck prompt was when Moriarty gets created with an intelligence that can rival Data and he takes control of the enterprise. :-) https://youtu.be/msjQKkkW2Wo https://youtu.be/msjQKkkW2Wo

adhesive_wombat 4y ago
An odd one, that. After all the lore (geddit?) about Data and his brother being unique and special for their unrivalled artificial intelligence, it turned out all you have to do to exceed that is just vaguely ask a standard-issue ship computer to do so.
- goldenkey 4y ago
  I think the size of the enterprise and its fusion reactor is quite an unfair advantage. Was Data really supposed to be smarter than the enterprise especially when it can read Data's mind state in order to fulfill the prompt?
  - adhesive_wombat 4y ago
    I suppose the EMH is (or at least was, pre-mobile emitter from the future) a thin client for the Voyager computer. Still seems odd that it's only apparently Data, Moriarty and the Doctor that have demonstrated the Federation actually can make pretty general AI with the tools it already has on starships (and conveniently always on the ship with all those film crews on it making the Historical Records). Surely under the crust of some demon class planet there's a bank of millions of times that power bring used for...something. There's probably a rule against making AI that you're allowed to break in the delta quadrant though.
    - twoodfin 4y ago
      There’s no direct canon confirmation, but it seems quite plausible that it was, in fact, the Bynars who provided the technological leaps necessary for the Enterprise computer to generate Moriarty and other proto-sentient characters. Riker and Picard both comment on the realism and perception of Minuet, created by the Bynars on the holodeck after their upgrades. And there is a direct canon line from Moriarty through to the EMH and later sentient holograms via Lt. Barclay.

The best holodeck prompt was when Moriarty gets created with an intelligence that can rival Data and he takes control of the enterprise. :-) https://youtu.be/msjQKkkW2Wo https://youtu.be/msjQKkkW2Wo

adhesive_wombat 4y ago

An odd one, that. After all the lore (geddit?) about Data and his brother being unique and special for their unrivalled artificial intelligence, it turned out all you have to do to exceed that is just vaguely ask a standard-issue ship computer to do so.

goldenkey 4y ago
I think the size of the enterprise and its fusion reactor is quite an unfair advantage. Was Data really supposed to be smarter than the enterprise especially when it can read Data's mind state in order to fulfill the prompt?
- adhesive_wombat 4y ago
  I suppose the EMH is (or at least was, pre-mobile emitter from the future) a thin client for the Voyager computer. Still seems odd that it's only apparently Data, Moriarty and the Doctor that have demonstrated the Federation actually can make pretty general AI with the tools it already has on starships (and conveniently always on the ship with all those film crews on it making the Historical Records). Surely under the crust of some demon class planet there's a bank of millions of times that power bring used for...something. There's probably a rule against making AI that you're allowed to break in the delta quadrant though.
  - twoodfin 4y ago
    There’s no direct canon confirmation, but it seems quite plausible that it was, in fact, the Bynars who provided the technological leaps necessary for the Enterprise computer to generate Moriarty and other proto-sentient characters. Riker and Picard both comment on the realism and perception of Minuet, created by the Bynars on the holodeck after their upgrades. And there is a direct canon line from Moriarty through to the EMH and later sentient holograms via Lt. Barclay.