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Not that I support Facebook, but it's impossible to be moral absolutist in today's world. You either support western democracy with all it's imperfections or yo

by SXX 4y ago

Not that I support Facebook, but it's impossible to be moral absolutist in today's world. You either support western democracy with all it's imperfections or you are supporting authoritarian / totalitarian states. Everyone who pretend to be "politically neutral" will always be helping later. UPD: Yeah I meant "later" and not "former". Corrected.

UmbertoNoEco 4y ago
who is 'you'? white people in the 10% of so of nato;anzac countries? maybe the rest of he world is not interested on keep perpetuating the status quo
- SXX 4y ago
  > who is 'you'? Those of us who want to live in countries without concentration camps.
  - UmbertoNoEco 4y ago
    like guantanamo ?
boomboomsubban 4y ago
>Everyone who pretend to be "politically neutral" will always be helping former. I'll assume you mean latter, easy mistake to make. Personally I find the "if you aren't supporting the ridiculous things we're doing you're supporting the enemy" argument ridiculous. I'm capable of thinking both need to seriously change, and think it's a better use of my time to try and change the Western Democracy I am a part of as it's supposed to change if I disagree with it. It's strange how that point of view gets me labeled a (possibly unintentional) traitor.
- SXX 4y ago
  I'm neither meant to mark anyone as traitor nor I like how Facebook affected society. At the same time I totally for any limitation or sanctions against media companies controlled by totalitarian or authoritarian states. Allowing literal "enemy" propoganda machines to run freely while they banned everything in their own countries is madness. Disclaimer: I'm not US or EU citizen. I just seen how my home country changed from liberal state of almost absolute freedom into authoritarism and then into fascism. Western democracies do all kind of things I dont like, but at least they dont risk to burn planet in nuclear fire.
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    A Western democracy invented nuclear fire, is the only country to have ever burned anyone in nuclear fire, and is currently threatening the two largest nuclear powers on the basis of their border disputes.
    - hollerith 4y ago
      Where has any US official threatened Russia or China with nuclear attack?
  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    >I'm neither meant to mark anyone as traitor Saying anyone who doesn't fully back Western democracies is supporting the enemy is calling them a traitor. Maybe that wasn't your intention, but providing support to the enemy is a textbook definition of traitor.
    - SXX 4y ago
      I did not say that you suppose to fully back western democracies or their governments. What I said is that you cant play "politically neutral" by pretending that Facebook (that obviously affected by some US state actors) is as evil as CCP backed company. Facebook and Zukerberg personally obviously have political agenda, influence and censorship. At the same time it's not the same thing as totalitarian state agenda and censorship.

by SXX 4y ago

UmbertoNoEco 4y ago

who is 'you'? white people in the 10% of so of nato;anzac countries? maybe the rest of he world is not interested on keep perpetuating the status quo

SXX 4y ago
> who is 'you'? Those of us who want to live in countries without concentration camps.
- UmbertoNoEco 4y ago
  like guantanamo ?

boomboomsubban 4y ago

>Everyone who pretend to be "politically neutral" will always be helping former. I'll assume you mean latter, easy mistake to make. Personally I find the "if you aren't supporting the ridiculous things we're doing you're supporting the enemy" argument ridiculous. I'm capable of thinking both need to seriously change, and think it's a better use of my time to try and change the Western Democracy I am a part of as it's supposed to change if I disagree with it. It's strange how that point of view gets me labeled a (possibly unintentional) traitor.

SXX 4y ago
I'm neither meant to mark anyone as traitor nor I like how Facebook affected society. At the same time I totally for any limitation or sanctions against media companies controlled by totalitarian or authoritarian states. Allowing literal "enemy" propoganda machines to run freely while they banned everything in their own countries is madness. Disclaimer: I'm not US or EU citizen. I just seen how my home country changed from liberal state of almost absolute freedom into authoritarism and then into fascism. Western democracies do all kind of things I dont like, but at least they dont risk to burn planet in nuclear fire.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  A Western democracy invented nuclear fire, is the only country to have ever burned anyone in nuclear fire, and is currently threatening the two largest nuclear powers on the basis of their border disputes.
  - hollerith 4y ago
    Where has any US official threatened Russia or China with nuclear attack?
- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  >I'm neither meant to mark anyone as traitor Saying anyone who doesn't fully back Western democracies is supporting the enemy is calling them a traitor. Maybe that wasn't your intention, but providing support to the enemy is a textbook definition of traitor.
  - SXX 4y ago
    I did not say that you suppose to fully back western democracies or their governments. What I said is that you cant play "politically neutral" by pretending that Facebook (that obviously affected by some US state actors) is as evil as CCP backed company. Facebook and Zukerberg personally obviously have political agenda, influence and censorship. At the same time it's not the same thing as totalitarian state agenda and censorship.