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It's now illegal for anyone under 21 to buy canned whipped cream in New York

50 points by cwwc 4y ago

Lacerda69 4y ago
The war against drugs is just working great.
- elektrons 4y ago
  It really is, for the drugs.
- zugi 4y ago
  I like to call it "The War On Americans (who use drugs.)"
DaveExeter 4y ago
I think you can still buy whippets in the Village head shops.
- missedthecue 4y ago
  Or ebay
- 1_1xdev 4y ago
  They’re definitely sold. Does this new legislation change things? Idk Weed is openly sold in bodegas and smoke shops in the village too, but none of them are licensed
Maursault 4y ago
This is kind of silly. Nitrous oxide is not harmful unless there is so much of it, it displaces the air and causes suffocation, or it is abused in such quantity that it causes neurological issues like persistent numbness. They should make it illegal for anyone under 21 to purchase Scotchguard and the other harmful aerosols that are popular inhalents, such as air freshener, deodorant, fabric protector, hair spray, vegetable oil spray, and spray paint. Those things hurt kids. No one has died or even hurt themselves, not ever, inhaling the nitrous from whipped creme or whip creme chargers, though people have suffocated on occasion when using actual nitrous tanks.
- cantSpellSober 4y ago
  > No one has died or even hurt themselves, not ever, inhaling the nitrous from whipped creme Sadly, not true (though it's rare) https://www.yourerie.com/news/local-news/centre-county-coroner-releases-official-autopsy-results-of-17-year-old-cathedral-prep-student-jack-schoenig/ https://www.yourerie.com/news/local-news/centre-county-coron...
  - Maursault 4y ago
    > The autopsy shows that Schoenig died from asphyxiation Something doesn't add up. When you pass out from holding your breath, you automatically start breathing again. What must have happened is there was so much nitrous being used, and not enough ventilation, and the nitrous displaced the air on the floor. So he passed out, fell down, and when he would have started breathing again normally, there was no air on the floor to breathe. No one thought to open a door to let the nitrous escape, so the CPR was in vain if there was no air to get into his lungs. Then his friends cleaned up all the empty whippets before the police arrived, and got their story straight: "he did one whippet, and just died," when there was probably hundreds of whippets being released in an enclosed space, pushing the air off the floor and creating a zone of asphyxiation. So I suspect this is precisely what I described in my post, asphyxiation from displaced air on the floor. The nitrous itself did not hurt him, it just made him pass out because there was no oxygen in his lungs when he was holding in the nitrous. What killed him was asphyxiation, not toxicity to nitrous. Decades ago, 2 kids died this way in a pickup truck. They even had the windows open, but the nitrous displaced the air along the floor, they passed out and folded over, with heads below the door-windows, and asphyxiated. More recently but still years ago, a high school boy and girl died together the same way crawling under a large advertising helium balloon to hear their voices sound funny... but there was no air under there, so they asphyxiated. The helium itself did not kill them, it is inert. The lack of air causes asphyxiation, and that is what it is fatal. So, again, nitrous itself will not hurt you, has never hurt anyone ever, but because it is heavier than air, it displaces the air, and in an enclosed space it will push out all the air, and death by asphyxiation occurs.
    - cantSpellSober 4y ago
alpaca128 4y ago
> Some 1 in 5 young people uses inhalants by the time they reach eighth grade Well, good thing they now got it under control by fighting the symptoms. I'm sure the kids are not creative enough to find alternatives /s
LiberationUnion 4y ago
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tenpies 4y ago
I love observing NYC, SF, and LA policies like this because it's so ridiculous. An under 21 year old can go shoot up any substance - with the guarantee that the police won't touch them - at any of the safe injection sites, but progessive-heaven forbid that they want some whipped cream for their ice cream or want to try a recipe that included using one of these gas cartridges. Canisters on the street? A disturbing eye sore that must be dealt with swiftly. Needles on the street? A sign of progressive tolerance and a reminder that drug users are the real victims.
- 1_1xdev 4y ago
  It is ridiculous on the surface, I guess. But those same progressive governments still make it illegal to sell those drugs which can are used in the safe injection sites. So, this seems consistent to me, even if ridiculous on the surface, because those more dangerous substances are treated the same. No one’s getting arrested for inhaling no2, just like people are not getting arrested for smoking weed or for shooting up in the safe sites Edit for clarity: the only thing that’s actually ridiculous about it IMO is that, obviously, there’s a huge proportion of people, under 21, buying whipped cream that aren’t doing it to get high
  - protonbob 4y ago
    Just use your whip cream in the safe injection sites. Problem solved.
- feet 4y ago
  That's a non equivalency Ability to purchase a substance is not the same as being provided a space to use a substance obtained elsewhere safely to curb overdoses These policies are about reducing harm, prohibition itself increases harm
- boxmonster 4y ago
  You might want to do some research before proffering an ill-informed opinion. In particular, I would look up "Harm Reduction" which is a relatively new strategy. Heroin is already illegal, so it can't be made any more illegal. What we can do is provide a place for addicts to safely use the drug while they interface with members of the community trying to help them. We are learning the dangers of nitrous oxide, so the first logical step is to limit sales of it. Friends of Hsieh claim that he was using up to 50 cartridges of Nitrous Oxide each day and often in public or during meetings. Witnesses described his home and bedroom being littered with hundreds of used cartridges https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2021/11/zappos-ceo-tony-hsiehs-drug-use/ https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2021/11/zappos-ceo-tony...
LatteLazy 4y ago
Nitrous seems like about the best drug a kid could use. Basically no risks, fast acting fast eliminated, non addictive, no evidence of any long term negative effects. Compare that to basically anything else you can inhale (or swallow or snort or inject).
- braden-lk 4y ago
  A classmate of mine went unconscious, fell forward, and smashed their head through a glass coffee table, so I wouldn’t say “no risk.” Yeah it’s “technically not the nitrous but gravity!!!”, but that would be pedantic.
- xyzzy123 4y ago
  Apart from asphyxiation/kinetic risks and cold burns from crackers (none of which are really high risk IMHO), there's also methionine synthase inactivation. The last one is what the kids need to be told about. It's unfortunately so nearly completely harmless that it catches many people by surprise that chronic use (like, daily for months for most healthy people but maybe sooner if you're low on B12) will eventually cause nerve damage. Recommended absolute minimum 2 week interval between "sessions" for long-term use.
- yarg 4y ago
  Seriously? > Nitrous oxide is neurotoxic and long-term or habitual use can cause severe neurological damage. Even wikipedia knows you're wrong.
loudgas 4y ago
This article (and every other article I can find on the ban) conflates whipped cream cans[1] with whipped cream chargers[2], which is what the law[3] bans. [1] https://www.gogetdelivery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1252x1252/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/7/0/7027223202cf.gif https://www.gogetdelivery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/... [2] https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/b73db9f0-6258-47a6-9954-bd760e29e578_1.13557a1a8b5a6196b3427c872a32f12b.jpeg https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/b73db9f0-6258-47a6-9954-bd7... [3] https://legiscan.com/NY/text/A00754/2021 https://legiscan.com/NY/text/A00754/2021
- zinekeller 4y ago
  Basically, it's banning the for-professional-use-only pure N2O cartridges, not your home kitchen instant whipped cream.
  - isitmadeofglass 4y ago
    Are these really considered for professional use only in US? Here we use them at home since the result is infinitely better than the instant whipped cream variants.
    - everforward 4y ago
      More or less. My local grocery stores don't carry the device or the cartridges. Professional or higher end cooking stores might carry them, but the easiest place to get them near me would be a head shop (the places that sell pipes and bongs and what not, if that phrase doesn't internationalize well). Virtually all the head shops near me carry both the device and the cartridge.
    - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
      What beautiful land of personal freedom are you calling from, friend?
ninefathom 4y ago
Maybe I'm just old and grouchy, but I think that at some point we might need to consider just stepping back and letting a little bit of natural selection occur- occasionally, just once in a while- in Homo (sometimes-not-so-)sapiens.

50 points by cwwc 4y ago

Lacerda69 4y ago

The war against drugs is just working great.

elektrons 4y ago
It really is, for the drugs.
zugi 4y ago
I like to call it "The War On Americans (who use drugs.)"

DaveExeter 4y ago

I think you can still buy whippets in the Village head shops.

missedthecue 4y ago
Or ebay
1_1xdev 4y ago
They’re definitely sold. Does this new legislation change things? Idk Weed is openly sold in bodegas and smoke shops in the village too, but none of them are licensed

Maursault 4y ago

This is kind of silly. Nitrous oxide is not harmful unless there is so much of it, it displaces the air and causes suffocation, or it is abused in such quantity that it causes neurological issues like persistent numbness. They should make it illegal for anyone under 21 to purchase Scotchguard and the other harmful aerosols that are popular inhalents, such as air freshener, deodorant, fabric protector, hair spray, vegetable oil spray, and spray paint. Those things hurt kids. No one has died or even hurt themselves, not ever, inhaling the nitrous from whipped creme or whip creme chargers, though people have suffocated on occasion when using actual nitrous tanks.

cantSpellSober 4y ago
> No one has died or even hurt themselves, not ever, inhaling the nitrous from whipped creme Sadly, not true (though it's rare) https://www.yourerie.com/news/local-news/centre-county-coroner-releases-official-autopsy-results-of-17-year-old-cathedral-prep-student-jack-schoenig/ https://www.yourerie.com/news/local-news/centre-county-coron...
- Maursault 4y ago
  > The autopsy shows that Schoenig died from asphyxiation Something doesn't add up. When you pass out from holding your breath, you automatically start breathing again. What must have happened is there was so much nitrous being used, and not enough ventilation, and the nitrous displaced the air on the floor. So he passed out, fell down, and when he would have started breathing again normally, there was no air on the floor to breathe. No one thought to open a door to let the nitrous escape, so the CPR was in vain if there was no air to get into his lungs. Then his friends cleaned up all the empty whippets before the police arrived, and got their story straight: "he did one whippet, and just died," when there was probably hundreds of whippets being released in an enclosed space, pushing the air off the floor and creating a zone of asphyxiation. So I suspect this is precisely what I described in my post, asphyxiation from displaced air on the floor. The nitrous itself did not hurt him, it just made him pass out because there was no oxygen in his lungs when he was holding in the nitrous. What killed him was asphyxiation, not toxicity to nitrous. Decades ago, 2 kids died this way in a pickup truck. They even had the windows open, but the nitrous displaced the air along the floor, they passed out and folded over, with heads below the door-windows, and asphyxiated. More recently but still years ago, a high school boy and girl died together the same way crawling under a large advertising helium balloon to hear their voices sound funny... but there was no air under there, so they asphyxiated. The helium itself did not kill them, it is inert. The lack of air causes asphyxiation, and that is what it is fatal. So, again, nitrous itself will not hurt you, has never hurt anyone ever, but because it is heavier than air, it displaces the air, and in an enclosed space it will push out all the air, and death by asphyxiation occurs.
  - cantSpellSober 4y ago

alpaca128 4y ago

> Some 1 in 5 young people uses inhalants by the time they reach eighth grade Well, good thing they now got it under control by fighting the symptoms. I'm sure the kids are not creative enough to find alternatives /s

LiberationUnion 4y ago

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tenpies 4y ago

I love observing NYC, SF, and LA policies like this because it's so ridiculous. An under 21 year old can go shoot up any substance - with the guarantee that the police won't touch them - at any of the safe injection sites, but progessive-heaven forbid that they want some whipped cream for their ice cream or want to try a recipe that included using one of these gas cartridges. Canisters on the street? A disturbing eye sore that must be dealt with swiftly. Needles on the street? A sign of progressive tolerance and a reminder that drug users are the real victims.

1_1xdev 4y ago
It is ridiculous on the surface, I guess. But those same progressive governments still make it illegal to sell those drugs which can are used in the safe injection sites. So, this seems consistent to me, even if ridiculous on the surface, because those more dangerous substances are treated the same. No one’s getting arrested for inhaling no2, just like people are not getting arrested for smoking weed or for shooting up in the safe sites Edit for clarity: the only thing that’s actually ridiculous about it IMO is that, obviously, there’s a huge proportion of people, under 21, buying whipped cream that aren’t doing it to get high
- protonbob 4y ago
  Just use your whip cream in the safe injection sites. Problem solved.
feet 4y ago
That's a non equivalency Ability to purchase a substance is not the same as being provided a space to use a substance obtained elsewhere safely to curb overdoses These policies are about reducing harm, prohibition itself increases harm
boxmonster 4y ago
You might want to do some research before proffering an ill-informed opinion. In particular, I would look up "Harm Reduction" which is a relatively new strategy. Heroin is already illegal, so it can't be made any more illegal. What we can do is provide a place for addicts to safely use the drug while they interface with members of the community trying to help them. We are learning the dangers of nitrous oxide, so the first logical step is to limit sales of it. Friends of Hsieh claim that he was using up to 50 cartridges of Nitrous Oxide each day and often in public or during meetings. Witnesses described his home and bedroom being littered with hundreds of used cartridges https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2021/11/zappos-ceo-tony-hsiehs-drug-use/ https://www.addictioncenter.com/news/2021/11/zappos-ceo-tony...

LatteLazy 4y ago

Nitrous seems like about the best drug a kid could use. Basically no risks, fast acting fast eliminated, non addictive, no evidence of any long term negative effects. Compare that to basically anything else you can inhale (or swallow or snort or inject).

braden-lk 4y ago
A classmate of mine went unconscious, fell forward, and smashed their head through a glass coffee table, so I wouldn’t say “no risk.” Yeah it’s “technically not the nitrous but gravity!!!”, but that would be pedantic.
xyzzy123 4y ago
Apart from asphyxiation/kinetic risks and cold burns from crackers (none of which are really high risk IMHO), there's also methionine synthase inactivation. The last one is what the kids need to be told about. It's unfortunately so nearly completely harmless that it catches many people by surprise that chronic use (like, daily for months for most healthy people but maybe sooner if you're low on B12) will eventually cause nerve damage. Recommended absolute minimum 2 week interval between "sessions" for long-term use.
yarg 4y ago
Seriously? > Nitrous oxide is neurotoxic and long-term or habitual use can cause severe neurological damage. Even wikipedia knows you're wrong.

loudgas 4y ago

This article (and every other article I can find on the ban) conflates whipped cream cans[1] with whipped cream chargers[2], which is what the law[3] bans. [1] https://www.gogetdelivery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1252x1252/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/7/0/7027223202cf.gif https://www.gogetdelivery.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/... [2] https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/b73db9f0-6258-47a6-9954-bd760e29e578_1.13557a1a8b5a6196b3427c872a32f12b.jpeg https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/b73db9f0-6258-47a6-9954-bd7... [3] https://legiscan.com/NY/text/A00754/2021 https://legiscan.com/NY/text/A00754/2021

zinekeller 4y ago
Basically, it's banning the for-professional-use-only pure N2O cartridges, not your home kitchen instant whipped cream.
- isitmadeofglass 4y ago
  Are these really considered for professional use only in US? Here we use them at home since the result is infinitely better than the instant whipped cream variants.
  - everforward 4y ago
    More or less. My local grocery stores don't carry the device or the cartridges. Professional or higher end cooking stores might carry them, but the easiest place to get them near me would be a head shop (the places that sell pipes and bongs and what not, if that phrase doesn't internationalize well). Virtually all the head shops near me carry both the device and the cartridge.
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    What beautiful land of personal freedom are you calling from, friend?

ninefathom 4y ago

Maybe I'm just old and grouchy, but I think that at some point we might need to consider just stepping back and letting a little bit of natural selection occur- occasionally, just once in a while- in Homo (sometimes-not-so-)sapiens.