>If I took your logic and extended it, that means you'd would be against the gigantic bison herds that existed in early American history (50-100M animals), whic

>If I took your logic and extended it, that means you'd would be against the gigantic bison herds that existed in early American history (50-100M animals), which are within the size ranges of the complete American cattle herds. The bison talking point has already been addressed elsewhere on this post, but copying and pasting the other commenter's info - > ~60,000,000 Bison in North America in 1600 [1] > 94,400,000 cattle and calves in USA in 2017. [2] Which represents an increase of 50%. Not to mention that if we look at global cattle numbers, those have exploded to 1,000,967,000 Livestock Cattle worldwide in 2021, far above historical numbers.[3] In fact, cattle make up more of the biomass on Earth than any other species, at 650 million tonnes.[4] So yeah, the current state of the world does not compare in any way to the 1600s and the 60 million bison in NA. >Given other large sources of animal protein, you'd likely be against vibrant fish, & oceanic mammal populations toon. Huh? What does this have to do with atmospheric methane and CO2? >wrong. The industry raises steers. Neutered male cattle. This seems like a non-sequitor, how is this relevant to the discussion? >Given that the US has supported wild animal populations of equivalent large cattle, This is false, and especially misleading when taking a global view. Please feel free to show me sources that contradict the ones I've provided. >That is utter idiocy. The question is always which thing a farmer is going to raise.[...] which thing to grow is always a question. However, it was done previously without farming. Sorry, how is this a response to the required increase in cattle population if we were to transition to 100% grass-fed beef, and the required increase in pasture productivity or expansion of pasture? >No. I've provided a source that says yes. Do you have a source saying that more than 4% of beef sold in the US is grass-fed? > Many markets are selling >50% grass fed now, and the grass-fed farms have incredible demand with backlogs on animals now. Please define "many" and quantify the total impact of their grass-fed sales on total sales in the US. The source I've provided shows that to be 4%. Further, again, grass-fed beef is actually worse for the climate as I've demonstrated by citing a number of sources, so it's not like this is a good argument to pursue if your goal is to try to rationalize beef consumption as being good for the climate. [1]https://allaboutbison.com/bison-in-history/bison-timeline/ https://allaboutbison.com/bison-in-history/bison-timeline/ [2]https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahms/downloads/Demographics2017.pdf https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahms/downloads/Dem... [3]https://beef2live.com/story-world-cattle-inventory-1960-2014-130-111523 https://beef2live.com/story-world-cattle-inventory-1960-2014... [4]https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/what-animal-collectively-makes-up-the-largest-biomass-on-earth/ https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/what-animal-collectively...