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Firefox, VLC, Signal, chromium, codium, veracrypt, ublock origin, bitwarden, ubuntu...

nickelpro 4y ago
None of these are counter-examples to what the OP said > Not all, but the ones that aren't have clear product management of some sort. That's effectively all of these except maybe ublock. If you don't have someone trying to sell some portion of your code base, true community efforts not a commercial effort that happens to be OSS, you're probably an infrastructure project.
astrange 4y ago
Firefox is made by a company. VLC has a product manager (who owns the VideoLAN Foundation).
- klabb3 4y ago
  Signal and chromium as well. I am not sure about Ubuntu, but to me it looks like they have a product/design org. Blender would be another example. How are they run?
  - flohofwoe 4y ago
    Blender is a foundation: https://www.blender.org/about/foundation/ https://www.blender.org/about/foundation/
    - klabb3 4y ago
      Interesting. So all of the examples have salaried design and product folks? Meanwhile there's thousands of volunteering FOSS projects that are engineers only. Do product & design people not have passion projects? Or they do but are for some reason unable to collaborate with engineers (or vice versa)?
      - sbuk 4y ago
        It's a complex problem. Design agencies and individual designers are blighted by the spectre of "spec work" [https://www.nospec.com https://www.nospec.com] [https://creativemornings.com/talks/mike-monteiro--2/1 https://creativemornings.com/talks/mike-monteiro--2/1]. The tl;dr of it is that business will approach agencies and demand they work on a product for free, of a a cost lower than the wok is worth in an act of good faith for the promise of fully paid work in the future. Except the work rarely comes. The upshot is designers are taught the value of their worth at college/university. The other problem is the FOSS community itself. See the concurrent post about GIMP [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32624055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32624055]. Opinionated devs that either don't see the value of design or having a designer. I know that this isn't true for all projects, but there a bad apples amongst the bigger, more well known projects (GNOME for example) that will spoil it for everyone else. Again, GIMP is a great example of this. As a result, most 'passion projects' lead to designers working on small projects that inspire them, which are rarely software related, ore they look to create something that can provide an income, either as a small second income or as a new business.
  - ghaff 4y ago
    Canonical basically supports Ubuntu. (Over and above the Linux kernel and other components many of which are supported by many different companies (and individuals).

None of these are counter-examples to what the OP said > Not all, but the ones that aren't have clear product management of some sort. That's effectively all of these except maybe ublock. If you don't have someone trying to sell some portion of your code base, true community efforts not a commercial effort that happens to be OSS, you're probably an infrastructure project.

astrange 4y ago

Firefox is made by a company. VLC has a product manager (who owns the VideoLAN Foundation).

klabb3 4y ago
Signal and chromium as well. I am not sure about Ubuntu, but to me it looks like they have a product/design org. Blender would be another example. How are they run?
- flohofwoe 4y ago
  Blender is a foundation: https://www.blender.org/about/foundation/ https://www.blender.org/about/foundation/
  - klabb3 4y ago
    Interesting. So all of the examples have salaried design and product folks? Meanwhile there's thousands of volunteering FOSS projects that are engineers only. Do product & design people not have passion projects? Or they do but are for some reason unable to collaborate with engineers (or vice versa)?
    - sbuk 4y ago
      It's a complex problem. Design agencies and individual designers are blighted by the spectre of "spec work" [https://www.nospec.com https://www.nospec.com] [https://creativemornings.com/talks/mike-monteiro--2/1 https://creativemornings.com/talks/mike-monteiro--2/1]. The tl;dr of it is that business will approach agencies and demand they work on a product for free, of a a cost lower than the wok is worth in an act of good faith for the promise of fully paid work in the future. Except the work rarely comes. The upshot is designers are taught the value of their worth at college/university. The other problem is the FOSS community itself. See the concurrent post about GIMP [https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32624055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32624055]. Opinionated devs that either don't see the value of design or having a designer. I know that this isn't true for all projects, but there a bad apples amongst the bigger, more well known projects (GNOME for example) that will spoil it for everyone else. Again, GIMP is a great example of this. As a result, most 'passion projects' lead to designers working on small projects that inspire them, which are rarely software related, ore they look to create something that can provide an income, either as a small second income or as a new business.
- ghaff 4y ago
  Canonical basically supports Ubuntu. (Over and above the Linux kernel and other components many of which are supported by many different companies (and individuals).