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Both the 15 and 0 kids arguments miss the point. It is their choice. They don’t owe either new people or mathematics to society.

FabHK 4y ago
True, but government can still try to nudge behaviour. Singapore famously established the social development unit (SDU) (nicknamed "Single, Desperate and Ugly") to encourage graduates to have more children, by organising speed dating events, BBQs, cruises etc. They also have a "Baby Bonus Scheme" [0]. "SDN’s long term goal has always been to help singles realise their marriage aspirations through equipping singles with relationship skills and creating a vibrant dating scene for singles to interact." [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/10/gender.uk https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/10/gender.uk https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/history/events/3c520e6c-dc34-4cef-84f5-1d73062c411b https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/history/events/3c520e6c-dc34-4... https://www.msf.gov.sg/policies/Marriages/Pages/Finding-a-Partner.aspx https://www.msf.gov.sg/policies/Marriages/Pages/Finding-a-Pa... [0] https://www.msf.gov.sg/policies/strong-and-stable-families/supporting-families/pages/baby-bonus-scheme.aspx https://www.msf.gov.sg/policies/strong-and-stable-families/s... [1] https://www.msf.gov.sg/media-room/Pages/Singles-dating-media-queries.aspx https://www.msf.gov.sg/media-room/Pages/Singles-dating-media...
- ptsneves 4y ago
  Governments nudge because if there is not a continuous thread of culture and people to carry it over a long timespan than a lifetime, then it’s values and long term designs are lost. Immigrants are important but they need to be integrated in something the natives prepare and preserve, otherwise those immigrants would not have moved for something better. The United States have successfully integrated immigrants of many peoples into a framework of life that is still recognisable as European enlightenment. The natives are now not necessarily Europeans but they have been living and reproducing long enough to be part of the fabric that keeps the original European enlightenment tradition in place.
benreesman 4y ago
I didn't read the (flagged to hell) GP as implying an obligation. "I strongly encourage so and so to blah and blah" is about as mild as it gets on opinions about other's lives? I wish that was the typical "get in other people's business" tonality.

FabHK 4y ago

True, but government can still try to nudge behaviour. Singapore famously established the social development unit (SDU) (nicknamed "Single, Desperate and Ugly") to encourage graduates to have more children, by organising speed dating events, BBQs, cruises etc. They also have a "Baby Bonus Scheme" [0]. "SDN’s long term goal has always been to help singles realise their marriage aspirations through equipping singles with relationship skills and creating a vibrant dating scene for singles to interact." [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/10/gender.uk https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/10/gender.uk https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/history/events/3c520e6c-dc34-4cef-84f5-1d73062c411b https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/history/events/3c520e6c-dc34-4... https://www.msf.gov.sg/policies/Marriages/Pages/Finding-a-Partner.aspx https://www.msf.gov.sg/policies/Marriages/Pages/Finding-a-Pa... [0] https://www.msf.gov.sg/policies/strong-and-stable-families/supporting-families/pages/baby-bonus-scheme.aspx https://www.msf.gov.sg/policies/strong-and-stable-families/s... [1] https://www.msf.gov.sg/media-room/Pages/Singles-dating-media-queries.aspx https://www.msf.gov.sg/media-room/Pages/Singles-dating-media...

ptsneves 4y ago
Governments nudge because if there is not a continuous thread of culture and people to carry it over a long timespan than a lifetime, then it’s values and long term designs are lost. Immigrants are important but they need to be integrated in something the natives prepare and preserve, otherwise those immigrants would not have moved for something better. The United States have successfully integrated immigrants of many peoples into a framework of life that is still recognisable as European enlightenment. The natives are now not necessarily Europeans but they have been living and reproducing long enough to be part of the fabric that keeps the original European enlightenment tradition in place.

benreesman 4y ago

I didn't read the (flagged to hell) GP as implying an obligation. "I strongly encourage so and so to blah and blah" is about as mild as it gets on opinions about other's lives? I wish that was the typical "get in other people's business" tonality.