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If it can be a law to require you to use the bathroom in a specific way, the collective should provide a way to comply with the law. Anything else is unjust. B

If it can be a law to require you to use the bathroom in a specific way, the collective should provide a way to comply with the law. Anything else is unjust. Being upset that people dirty public restrooms, shoot up in them or over occupy them is not a justification for creating a situation which takes people's freedom away.

imgabe 4y ago
What law? There is no law requiring anyone to use these restrooms. This is a private company making restrooms available under specific conditions.
- DubiousPusher 4y ago
  It is illegal in most places to defecate or urinate in public, or really anywhere other than a toilet. This company shouldn't need to exist. Facilities should be provided by the government if they wish to have such a law in place. This and several other laws create a situation in America where it is a crime to be destitute.
  - imgabe 4y ago
    When the government provides those facilities, they get destroyed or monopolized by drug users. People can't destroy the provided facilities and then complain that they aren't available. Society does require a modicum of cooperation from the public in order to function.
    - DubiousPusher 4y ago
      I disagree. Creating a law which is impossible for some portion of the public to comply with is always wrong.
      - imgabe 4y ago
        It is in no way impossible for anyone to avoid shitting in the street if they care to put in the slightest bit of effort to avoid doing so.
        DubiousPusher 4y ago
        Where do you use the bathroom? I do it at home, at work or in a business I am patronizing. All three things a destitute street person does not generally have access to.
        imgabe 4y ago
        Train/Bus stations, shopping malls, libraries, homeless shelters, fast food restaurants, gas stations, hotel lobbies, churches The destitute do also patronize businesses as well from time to time. You do nobody any favors by infantilizing them. Grown adults can find a place to relieve themselves without fouling the public space. If not, perhaps they need to be placed in a facility where they can receive the care and supervision they need. I'm all for the government providing and maintaining public restrooms as well (or subsidizing businesses that do, per my other comment), but that needs to be coupled with enforcement against people who would abuse them, as well as a general societal will to not let people rot in the street in the name of respecting their life choices.
        DubiousPusher 4y ago
        I'm not sure what it's like where you live but where I live it's like this. Train/Bus stations don't have bathrooms. Homeless shelters and the churches which do provide services make you leave during the day and do not let people back in under any circumstances until around 5 PM. Fast food restaurants, gas stations and hotel lobbies all lock their bathrooms and allow access to patrons only. Which leaves shopping malls and libraries. In a huge city, that's a pretty low toilet density. > but that needs to be coupled with enforcement against people who would abuse them, I have no problem with this. Vandalizing public utilities should be a crime which is enforced. Having to answer the call of nature should not be.

imgabe 4y ago

What law? There is no law requiring anyone to use these restrooms. This is a private company making restrooms available under specific conditions.

DubiousPusher 4y ago
It is illegal in most places to defecate or urinate in public, or really anywhere other than a toilet. This company shouldn't need to exist. Facilities should be provided by the government if they wish to have such a law in place. This and several other laws create a situation in America where it is a crime to be destitute.
- imgabe 4y ago
  When the government provides those facilities, they get destroyed or monopolized by drug users. People can't destroy the provided facilities and then complain that they aren't available. Society does require a modicum of cooperation from the public in order to function.
  - DubiousPusher 4y ago
    I disagree. Creating a law which is impossible for some portion of the public to comply with is always wrong.
    - imgabe 4y ago
      It is in no way impossible for anyone to avoid shitting in the street if they care to put in the slightest bit of effort to avoid doing so.
      - DubiousPusher 4y ago
        Where do you use the bathroom? I do it at home, at work or in a business I am patronizing. All three things a destitute street person does not generally have access to.
        imgabe 4y ago
        Train/Bus stations, shopping malls, libraries, homeless shelters, fast food restaurants, gas stations, hotel lobbies, churches The destitute do also patronize businesses as well from time to time. You do nobody any favors by infantilizing them. Grown adults can find a place to relieve themselves without fouling the public space. If not, perhaps they need to be placed in a facility where they can receive the care and supervision they need. I'm all for the government providing and maintaining public restrooms as well (or subsidizing businesses that do, per my other comment), but that needs to be coupled with enforcement against people who would abuse them, as well as a general societal will to not let people rot in the street in the name of respecting their life choices.
        DubiousPusher 4y ago
        I'm not sure what it's like where you live but where I live it's like this. Train/Bus stations don't have bathrooms. Homeless shelters and the churches which do provide services make you leave during the day and do not let people back in under any circumstances until around 5 PM. Fast food restaurants, gas stations and hotel lobbies all lock their bathrooms and allow access to patrons only. Which leaves shopping malls and libraries. In a huge city, that's a pretty low toilet density. > but that needs to be coupled with enforcement against people who would abuse them, I have no problem with this. Vandalizing public utilities should be a crime which is enforced. Having to answer the call of nature should not be.