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It feels like someone with great ideas started working on Gmail and quit before it was finished. Whatever they are doing to organize emails in a "smart" way is

It feels like someone with great ideas started working on Gmail and quit before it was finished. Whatever they are doing to organize emails in a "smart" way is super confusing. I kind of get it but it just doesn't work. They should either finish it or just revert back to organizing emails by date of arrival.

bambax 4y ago
> just revert back to organizing emails by date of arrival You can choose to do that: Settings / General / Conversation view off It's so much better to simply have emails in the order they arrive instead of hunting them down in "conversations".
- ghaff 4y ago
  I understand that emails can get buried but threaded views are so much better for me (especially at work) than my inbox being buried by conversations/threads that I have zero interest in. My alternative would probably be to more aggressively filter but that would effectively mean I never even saw lots of things I might actually care about.
sosborn 4y ago
It always amuses me that we try to complicate things that should just be a simple list ordered by date.
galaxyLogic 4y ago
I was trying to find sent mail and only way I found it was by searching mail where I was the sender. Smart but not obvious.
singhrac 4y ago
Gmail quality dropped off a cliff all of a sudden. In particular, many many emails get sent to spam now, including emails sent by Google itself! Notifications about calendar invites regularly get sent to spam at inconvenient times. I can't tell if this is just some sort of temporary spam filter tweaking error and oversight or an emergent property of a content-based filtering system that they won't revert.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
  Funny, I have the opposite problem, which could actually explain your problem. I never used to get spam through GMail's filters, but in the last six-ish months I now get a couple every day. They're almost always the same format, too - frequently just a link, and often coming from an outlook.com email address. So a possible hypothesis is that spammers got good at evading GMail's filter, so in tweaking it to catch these new spam techniques they could be causing more false positives.
  - lrem 4y ago
    Funny, I have neither. But think your analysis makes sense too and I just got lucky.
  - enos_feedler 4y ago
    I have observed the same thing. I _never_ saw a single spam message in years. Suddenly I am seeing strikingly obvious ones at the same frequency you are. This must be on Google's plate to fix. Surely they see it.
    - dotancohen 4y ago
      > Surely they see it. Do you use the Report Spam button? Because that is how they see it.
      - ectopod 4y ago
        I use Thunderbird. Does gmail take notice of me moving messages to the spam folder? (Question not directed at you specifically.)
        dotancohen 4y ago
        As a Thunderbird user too,I would love to know the answer as well.
      - enos_feedler 4y ago
butterNaN 4y ago
I switched to basic HTML gmail the moment it tried to predict what I wanted to type (often incorrectly, which worsened my experience) I sometimes accidentally open the 'modern' view and it feels so bloated. Everything is so against intuition, it feels like someone's fresh-out-of-marketing-school design.
butterNaN 4y ago
I switched to basic HTML gmail the moment it tried to predict what I wanted to type (incorrectly, I should add). I sometimes accidentally open the 'modern' view and it feels so bloated. Everything is so against intuition, it feels like someone's fresh-out-of-marketing-school design.
v3ss0n 4y ago
Paul Buchheit was core developer of gmail , who left gmail in 2006 - where its become shitty afterwards. He founded friendfeed and then got acquired by Facebook - and he left facebook to become angel investor / he is also main Partner of YC . he invested in many great startups like Twitch . On the opensource part , he build tornado web framework which is really important async framework for python ecosystem. Jupyter is built on top of tornado . He is active in HackerNews .

bambax 4y ago

> just revert back to organizing emails by date of arrival You can choose to do that: Settings / General / Conversation view off It's so much better to simply have emails in the order they arrive instead of hunting them down in "conversations".

ghaff 4y ago
I understand that emails can get buried but threaded views are so much better for me (especially at work) than my inbox being buried by conversations/threads that I have zero interest in. My alternative would probably be to more aggressively filter but that would effectively mean I never even saw lots of things I might actually care about.

sosborn 4y ago

It always amuses me that we try to complicate things that should just be a simple list ordered by date.

galaxyLogic 4y ago

I was trying to find sent mail and only way I found it was by searching mail where I was the sender. Smart but not obvious.

singhrac 4y ago

Gmail quality dropped off a cliff all of a sudden. In particular, many many emails get sent to spam now, including emails sent by Google itself! Notifications about calendar invites regularly get sent to spam at inconvenient times. I can't tell if this is just some sort of temporary spam filter tweaking error and oversight or an emergent property of a content-based filtering system that they won't revert.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
Funny, I have the opposite problem, which could actually explain your problem. I never used to get spam through GMail's filters, but in the last six-ish months I now get a couple every day. They're almost always the same format, too - frequently just a link, and often coming from an outlook.com email address. So a possible hypothesis is that spammers got good at evading GMail's filter, so in tweaking it to catch these new spam techniques they could be causing more false positives.
- lrem 4y ago
  Funny, I have neither. But think your analysis makes sense too and I just got lucky.
- enos_feedler 4y ago
  I have observed the same thing. I _never_ saw a single spam message in years. Suddenly I am seeing strikingly obvious ones at the same frequency you are. This must be on Google's plate to fix. Surely they see it.
  - dotancohen 4y ago
    > Surely they see it. Do you use the Report Spam button? Because that is how they see it.
    - ectopod 4y ago
      I use Thunderbird. Does gmail take notice of me moving messages to the spam folder? (Question not directed at you specifically.)
      - dotancohen 4y ago
        As a Thunderbird user too,I would love to know the answer as well.
    - enos_feedler 4y ago

butterNaN 4y ago

I switched to basic HTML gmail the moment it tried to predict what I wanted to type (often incorrectly, which worsened my experience) I sometimes accidentally open the 'modern' view and it feels so bloated. Everything is so against intuition, it feels like someone's fresh-out-of-marketing-school design.

butterNaN 4y ago

I switched to basic HTML gmail the moment it tried to predict what I wanted to type (incorrectly, I should add). I sometimes accidentally open the 'modern' view and it feels so bloated. Everything is so against intuition, it feels like someone's fresh-out-of-marketing-school design.

v3ss0n 4y ago

Paul Buchheit was core developer of gmail , who left gmail in 2006 - where its become shitty afterwards. He founded friendfeed and then got acquired by Facebook - and he left facebook to become angel investor / he is also main Partner of YC . he invested in many great startups like Twitch . On the opensource part , he build tornado web framework which is really important async framework for python ecosystem. Jupyter is built on top of tornado . He is active in HackerNews .