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US suffers from an additional culture problem that doesn't allow us to have nice public things. Every public restroom in NYC I can think of outside of Bryant P
by ookblah 4y ago
US suffers from an additional culture problem that doesn't allow us to have nice public things. Every public restroom in NYC I can think of outside of Bryant Park ends up turning into a shithole, literally.
- decafninja 4y agoWhat keeps the Bryant Park restrooms clean? What's different about it? I've never actually used it. The Port Authority bus terminal bathrooms recently had a full renovation. It was nice enough for a little while, but it didn't take long for it to become a shithole. The money spent to clean it up and renovate it turned to shit.
- borski 4y agoUsually the people cleaning it. Just done more often and with better effect. Also Bryant Park tends to be a bit nicer and upscale, population-wise.
- DubiousPusher 4y agoWhy do they need to be nice? It's a place to shit. I get it. We all like a dandified street but people's right to a place to do what they biologically have to do trumps anyone's right to aesthetic purity, IMO.
- exolymph 4y agoThe issue is more basic sanitation than aesthetic purity.
- DubiousPusher 4y agoReally? In what regard? It is not impossible to clear away any unsanitary side effect on a daily basis.
- graeme 4y agoCleaning on a daily basis does not make a bathroom sanitary. And the worse your issues the more frequent the cleaning needs to be. When I worked in a gas station we cleaned on the hour and signed for it and this was in a place where people were generally decent about not making a mess.
- DubiousPusher 4y agoThen let's start with that.
- borski 4y agoThat costs a lot more money.
- DubiousPusher 4y agoMore tham paying cops tp arrest people and jailers to jail them? More than the $500,000 the Downtown Seattle Association spent last year alone on hosing out one alley? I have my doubts. However, were it the case I'd still say it is the right thing to do. Jury trials cost a lot of money, death penalty appeals are whoppingly expensive, eminent domain is costing Sound Transit a fortune for its light rail network. As it turns out, living in a free society is expensive.
- borski 4y agoHang on, we were talking about cleaning bathrooms. You seriously moved the goalposts there. Not sure what your point is.
- DubiousPusher 4y agoYeah I can see how that would be confusing. The downstream consequence of a society which both prohibits public defecation and removes public accommodation for that act is that some people will find themselves unable to comply with the law. Frequent arguments against public accommodation is that it is gross or unsanitary it requires expensive maintenance. To me, there is no question. A free society should have to go very far to accommodate people so that it avoids taking their freedom over something biologically necessary.