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yeah, two guys all of us might or may not be related to... one have domesticated deer, offered good conditions for it to breed (protected it from other predato

by borism 15y ago

yeah, two guys all of us might or may not be related to... one have domesticated deer, offered good conditions for it to breed (protected it from other predators including hunters like himself) and then he and his children prospered off their cattle... the other one just hunted his food to extinction... guess who's children have survived to tell the story?

bdunbar 15y ago
the other one just hunted his food to extinction All of mine - and your - ancestors have done just that. They found new sources for food or they didn't become our ancestors. I get what you are saying about hunting one's food to extinction, how it's a bad idea. Do you get what _I_ am talking about when I say that poachers don't _care_ about tomorrow, that they are do poor and desperate that today is all that matters?
- deleted 15y ago
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- bad_user 15y ago
  That's how agriculture happened, which is the biggest step forward the human race ever took. And many groups and individuals that failed to evolve towards agriculture either died or have been thrown in slavery (as civilizations with agriculture developed more rapidly than the others without it - that's how cities started to emerge, as suddenly bigger groups could live together). I get what you're saying too. Personally I would do anything to keep my child from starving. But extinct species are NOT in danger because of poor people that are fighting for their lives. And not all poachers are poor, not all poachers have an excuse, quite the contrary.
  - eru 15y ago
    Agriculture might be the biggest step. But I don't know whether it was forward.
stonemetal 15y ago
Yeah those poor guys with thousands of acres of land with fences, barns and hundreds of pounds of feed for the winter. To bad they aren't smart enough to heard animals. </sarcasm> Owning a ranch typically isn't a poor man's occupation. It requires investments in land, improvements to the land, food for the animals when the land is unable to support them, etc.
- aptwebapps 15y ago
  I'm pretty sure that borism is referring to the domestication of wild animals in prehistory.
  - bdunbar 15y ago
    It's true now, it was true at the dawn of animal husbandry: it's more expensive to capture and domesticate wild animals than do the hunter-gatherer thing.
    - borism 15y ago
      it's more expensive in the short run

by borism 15y ago

bdunbar 15y ago

the other one just hunted his food to extinction All of mine - and your - ancestors have done just that. They found new sources for food or they didn't become our ancestors. I get what you are saying about hunting one's food to extinction, how it's a bad idea. Do you get what _I_ am talking about when I say that poachers don't _care_ about tomorrow, that they are do poor and desperate that today is all that matters?

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bad_user 15y ago
That's how agriculture happened, which is the biggest step forward the human race ever took. And many groups and individuals that failed to evolve towards agriculture either died or have been thrown in slavery (as civilizations with agriculture developed more rapidly than the others without it - that's how cities started to emerge, as suddenly bigger groups could live together). I get what you're saying too. Personally I would do anything to keep my child from starving. But extinct species are NOT in danger because of poor people that are fighting for their lives. And not all poachers are poor, not all poachers have an excuse, quite the contrary.
- eru 15y ago
  Agriculture might be the biggest step. But I don't know whether it was forward.

stonemetal 15y ago

Yeah those poor guys with thousands of acres of land with fences, barns and hundreds of pounds of feed for the winter. To bad they aren't smart enough to heard animals. </sarcasm> Owning a ranch typically isn't a poor man's occupation. It requires investments in land, improvements to the land, food for the animals when the land is unable to support them, etc.

aptwebapps 15y ago
I'm pretty sure that borism is referring to the domestication of wild animals in prehistory.
- bdunbar 15y ago
  It's true now, it was true at the dawn of animal husbandry: it's more expensive to capture and domesticate wild animals than do the hunter-gatherer thing.
  - borism 15y ago
    it's more expensive in the short run