>A powerful, immaterial, timeless force outside of the universet that caused the universe to exist. This points to God. Holy leap of faith, batman, such a non-

>A powerful, immaterial, timeless force outside of the universet that caused the universe to exist. This points to God. Holy leap of faith, batman, such a non-sequitur. The former I'd agree is plausible but then you just go headlong into a big assumption or in your case, ironically and paradoxically, you state it as a certainty in a thread about our uncertain universal beginnings. I could run with the former in that perhaps some kind of force outside it caused it but what caused that force? Also there is nothing pointing to this force being some intelligent anthropomorphic entity aware of our existence (as generally believed) other than a few religious texts that, some argue, spawned from other polytheistic religious texts that had entirely different views of the gods. >There is a great deal of evidence, philosophically and rationally, for the existence of God. And evidence against if you really want to learn about philosophy in a more well-rounded way. And "rationally"? Many views can be rational which can be pretty subjective, just not logical or true.