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Awful stuff. Shocking to those who think the government is there to help. I guess it's great news that the government tells us that they stopped mkultra, and

Awful stuff. Shocking to those who think the government is there to help. I guess it's great news that the government tells us that they stopped mkultra, and didn't continue their attempts at mind controlling the population. Phew.

booleandilemma 4y ago
Yeah so happy all of that weird manipulation stuff is over. My pronouns are in my bio btw.
- tommyrpeterson 4y ago
  Lol To be more explicit I’m not sure why nobody ever mentions the MASSIVE popularity of mk ultra inspired hypnosis porn pushing self feminization. There’s a ton of it on every porn platform. And it originated on 4 chan, decades ago. Which felt at the time like a psy op. Fits the pattern of destabilisation methods used by the Russians and Chinese.
  - bckr 4y ago
    Citation needed
  - internet_user 4y ago
    >hypnosis porn pushing self feminization. what's hypnosis porn?
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avgcorrection 4y ago
Awful stuff. Super-helpful for my ideological pet-peeve, though, so I’m glad that I got an excuse to bring that up.
- qwertyuiop_ 4y ago
  Look no further than the Orwell Ministry of Truth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-... and the current administrations attempt at establishing one https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-department-of-homeland-security-concludes-it-never-needed-a-disinformation-governance-board/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-department-of-home...
  - staticassertion 4y ago
    The Ministry of Truth was not a fact checking system. It was where the past was rewritten, with entire wars and alliances being erased, and required all previous documents to be destroyed and replaced. The point was that if no record of the past exists except for what is inside of our minds, the past is whatever we believe it to be. Hence 2 + 2 = 5, O'Brien raises his fingers and asks "How many fingers am I holding up?" and Winston eventually "remembers" the "wrong" number. Fact checkers don't "rewrite" anything, they don't destroy previous articles of information, they don't have an army to go out and destroy old documents. Disinformation is a reasonable national security concern, it seems silly to think otherwise given that it's a very obvious and established weapon.
    - avgcorrection 4y ago
      Indeed, comrade. Disinformation threatens the fatherland.
      - staticassertion 4y ago
        It just sounds to me like you should actually read 1984.
        avgcorrection 4y ago
        It sounds to me like you should read the user names of the people that you reply to.
krapp 4y ago
> I guess it's great news that the government tells us that they stopped mkultra, and didn't continue their attempts at mind controlling the population. Phew. Honestly, they probably did. And not out of the kindness of their hearts, either, but because the assumptions behind such programs were proven invalid. You can't actually program someone's mind like a computer with torture, hypnosis and LSD, it turns out the human brain doesn't work that way. But if the last decade has proven anything, it's how little effort it can take to influence today's deeply networked population, and how effective it can be to convince the masses to reprogram themselves through stimulus and hyperreality. You don't need the Ludovico technique or subliminal messages when you can manufacture consent entirely through Facebook memes and shitposts.

booleandilemma 4y ago

Yeah so happy all of that weird manipulation stuff is over. My pronouns are in my bio btw.

tommyrpeterson 4y ago
Lol To be more explicit I’m not sure why nobody ever mentions the MASSIVE popularity of mk ultra inspired hypnosis porn pushing self feminization. There’s a ton of it on every porn platform. And it originated on 4 chan, decades ago. Which felt at the time like a psy op. Fits the pattern of destabilisation methods used by the Russians and Chinese.
- bckr 4y ago
  Citation needed
- internet_user 4y ago
  >hypnosis porn pushing self feminization. what's hypnosis porn?

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avgcorrection 4y ago

Awful stuff. Super-helpful for my ideological pet-peeve, though, so I’m glad that I got an excuse to bring that up.

qwertyuiop_ 4y ago
Look no further than the Orwell Ministry of Truth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Ministry_of_Truth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministries_of_Nineteen_Eighty-... and the current administrations attempt at establishing one https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-department-of-homeland-security-concludes-it-never-needed-a-disinformation-governance-board/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-department-of-home...
- staticassertion 4y ago
  The Ministry of Truth was not a fact checking system. It was where the past was rewritten, with entire wars and alliances being erased, and required all previous documents to be destroyed and replaced. The point was that if no record of the past exists except for what is inside of our minds, the past is whatever we believe it to be. Hence 2 + 2 = 5, O'Brien raises his fingers and asks "How many fingers am I holding up?" and Winston eventually "remembers" the "wrong" number. Fact checkers don't "rewrite" anything, they don't destroy previous articles of information, they don't have an army to go out and destroy old documents. Disinformation is a reasonable national security concern, it seems silly to think otherwise given that it's a very obvious and established weapon.
  - avgcorrection 4y ago
    Indeed, comrade. Disinformation threatens the fatherland.
    - staticassertion 4y ago
      It just sounds to me like you should actually read 1984.
      - avgcorrection 4y ago
        It sounds to me like you should read the user names of the people that you reply to.

krapp 4y ago

> I guess it's great news that the government tells us that they stopped mkultra, and didn't continue their attempts at mind controlling the population. Phew. Honestly, they probably did. And not out of the kindness of their hearts, either, but because the assumptions behind such programs were proven invalid. You can't actually program someone's mind like a computer with torture, hypnosis and LSD, it turns out the human brain doesn't work that way. But if the last decade has proven anything, it's how little effort it can take to influence today's deeply networked population, and how effective it can be to convince the masses to reprogram themselves through stimulus and hyperreality. You don't need the Ludovico technique or subliminal messages when you can manufacture consent entirely through Facebook memes and shitposts.