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At what point do we start calling it a concentration camp system ? 60%? 80%?

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
It depends on answers to questions like “are these groups actually committing a disproportionate amount of the crime?” And I wouldn’t rush to the notion that you need to be justified in using hyperbolic/metaphorical language before you can criticize the problem.
- xg15 4y ago
  Why would black or indigenous people as a group commit more crimes?
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    Is that a serious question? Why would kids growing up in a remote community with no work, surrounded by drug and alcohol abuse, in a culture that tolerates child sex abuse, whose brains are cooked from day one by FASD and inhalants _not_ commit more crime.
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      There may be well elements within certain cultures that appear on the surface to tolerate child abuse to a degree that seems alarming, but it's a stretch to claim any culture as a whole does so (and at any rate, first nation peoples in Australia emphatically do not share a single culture).
  - amanaplanacanal 4y ago
    In the US, the idea is that poor people commit more crimes than rich people, and whites are more likely to be rich. Whether that is actually true, I have no idea.
  - DiggyJohnson 4y ago
    Socioeconomic factors are the most obvious. The second is the (currently) taboo cultural issue of fatherhood and stable families in these communities. I won’t speculate any more, but I recommend Glenn Loury’s discussions on this topic: [1] https://youtu.be/LC4Qxq0KMBc https://youtu.be/LC4Qxq0KMBc [2] https://youtu.be/lOKiKZeYZbU https://youtu.be/lOKiKZeYZbU
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    If we really knew the answer to that we'd probably have worked out how to solve the problem of higher incarceration rates. At the end of the day though white colonists took away their mode of existence that had worked for them for 10s of 1000s of years. Those have chosen to fully adopt the trappings of modern/Western civilization have done well enough for themselves generally, but is it reasonable to expect they should all make that choice?

It depends on answers to questions like “are these groups actually committing a disproportionate amount of the crime?” And I wouldn’t rush to the notion that you need to be justified in using hyperbolic/metaphorical language before you can criticize the problem.

xg15 4y ago
Why would black or indigenous people as a group commit more crimes?
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  Is that a serious question? Why would kids growing up in a remote community with no work, surrounded by drug and alcohol abuse, in a culture that tolerates child sex abuse, whose brains are cooked from day one by FASD and inhalants _not_ commit more crime.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    There may be well elements within certain cultures that appear on the surface to tolerate child abuse to a degree that seems alarming, but it's a stretch to claim any culture as a whole does so (and at any rate, first nation peoples in Australia emphatically do not share a single culture).
- amanaplanacanal 4y ago
  In the US, the idea is that poor people commit more crimes than rich people, and whites are more likely to be rich. Whether that is actually true, I have no idea.
- DiggyJohnson 4y ago
  Socioeconomic factors are the most obvious. The second is the (currently) taboo cultural issue of fatherhood and stable families in these communities. I won’t speculate any more, but I recommend Glenn Loury’s discussions on this topic: [1] https://youtu.be/LC4Qxq0KMBc https://youtu.be/LC4Qxq0KMBc [2] https://youtu.be/lOKiKZeYZbU https://youtu.be/lOKiKZeYZbU
- wizofaus 4y ago
  If we really knew the answer to that we'd probably have worked out how to solve the problem of higher incarceration rates. At the end of the day though white colonists took away their mode of existence that had worked for them for 10s of 1000s of years. Those have chosen to fully adopt the trappings of modern/Western civilization have done well enough for themselves generally, but is it reasonable to expect they should all make that choice?