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Vaccines are safe, have been administered and tested more than any form of medicine ever. They save lives, both from death, and crippling complications. Liter

Vaccines are safe, have been administered and tested more than any form of medicine ever. They save lives, both from death, and crippling complications. Literally nothing you said is true, and I'm glad that misinformation spreading lunatics are being de-platformed.

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nuke2TechLead 4y ago
I know a lot people who were injury by the vaccine. My cousin is on aircrew and he has mycardis now because of it. 20 years old. Only reason they detected it is because he had to get a flight physical. Most of the other people are women who had their periods messed up by it.
- andrekandre 4y ago
  > I know a lot people who were injury by the vaccine. we are just trading anecdotes here, but i can can definitely say after taking the vaccine, especially the 3rd one, my long covid was relieved greatly and felt great afterwards... should i go around telling people to get the vaccine multiple times to cure long-covid based on that anecdote? > My cousin is on aircrew and he has mycardis now because of it. 20 years old. i won't deny your experience but let me just ask you this, whats the chance of getting myocarditis from real covid vs vaccine? which one is potentially more dangerous?
  - krackers 4y ago
    >whats the chance of getting myocarditis from real covid vs vaccine? which one is potentially more dangerous? If you're less than 40, 2 doses of moderna will put you at 6x odds of myocarditis than natural infection. Or 3 doses of pfizer is slightly more than natural infection.
    - andrekandre 4y ago
      interesting, do you have any peer-reviewed studies for that?
- didibus 4y ago
  Mycardis also happens from getting COVID-19, and the data shows it is more likely to happen and be more severe from an infection with Covid-19 than from the vaccine. If you understand how the vaccine works, this makes sense, the vaccine simulates an infection with Covid-19, but gives your body the upper edge as the virus is not produced in it's full form and can't reproduce. It's now believed the immune response is responsible for Mycardis, and that for COVID-19 infections the occurrence and effects are stronger because COVID-19 infects heart cells, and causes a stronger immune response than the vaccine. When evaluating the vaccine you need to compare it against the risks of unvaccinated Covid-19 infections. In your lifetime you'll get one or the other, but if you look at all the known data, there's much more risks in an unvaccinated Covid-19 infection than the vaccines. That doesn't mean the vaccines are zero risk, but they seem the the right trade off if you consider the odds. Edit: Also, only the lipid nanoparticle coating is unique to the mRNA vaccines, that means any side-effect caused by the vaccine is also caused by COVID, unless it's a result of the nanoparticle coating. From what I could find, it appears that only the allergic reaction is caused by the lipids, and the other known side-effects are all common with COVID as well and due to the body's immune response or the virus protein itself. And if you were curious, COVID also replicates using RNA, so both the vaccines and Covid also infect your cells with RNA.
  - krackers 4y ago
    > the data shows it is more likely to happen and be more severe from an infection with Covid-19 than from the vaccine. No, not when stratified by age group. 2nd dose of moderna vaccine is 6x more likely to cause it for < 40 year olds [1]. If you stratify further (12-25) I suspect you'd find it's even worse. There's also a dose dependence where your chance of myocarditis increases with the number of doses [2], which not only corroborates [1] that the 2nd dose of Moderna is significantly higher risk, but that even 2nd dose of Pfizer puts is basically equal odds with the actual thing. And considering it's not either/or (i.e. the vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing your catching covid), this would mean that the vaccines are a net harm for younger age groups. The dose dependence also seems to indicate some sort of cumulative effect (i.e. with enough infections or enough boosters, some vulnerable segment of the population will almost guaranteed to end up with myocarditis). Since we don't know how large this vulnerable segment is (perhaps somehow related to long-covid susceptibility), it's irresponsible to blindly recommend or mandate boosters for everyone. > the vaccine simulates an infection with Covid-19, but gives your body the upper edge as the virus is not produced in it's full form and can't reproduce. You could alternatively hypothesize that when acquired "naturally" the virus (and whatever proteins it ends up producing) don't immediately go into systemic circulation (instead it needs to progress from respiratory downwards), and the body has time to mount an attack before it hits systemic circulation. [1] https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significantly-higher-after-covid-19-infection-vs-after-a-covid-19-vaccine https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significant... [2] https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myoca...

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nuke2TechLead 4y ago

I know a lot people who were injury by the vaccine. My cousin is on aircrew and he has mycardis now because of it. 20 years old. Only reason they detected it is because he had to get a flight physical. Most of the other people are women who had their periods messed up by it.

andrekandre 4y ago
> I know a lot people who were injury by the vaccine. we are just trading anecdotes here, but i can can definitely say after taking the vaccine, especially the 3rd one, my long covid was relieved greatly and felt great afterwards... should i go around telling people to get the vaccine multiple times to cure long-covid based on that anecdote? > My cousin is on aircrew and he has mycardis now because of it. 20 years old. i won't deny your experience but let me just ask you this, whats the chance of getting myocarditis from real covid vs vaccine? which one is potentially more dangerous?
- krackers 4y ago
  >whats the chance of getting myocarditis from real covid vs vaccine? which one is potentially more dangerous? If you're less than 40, 2 doses of moderna will put you at 6x odds of myocarditis than natural infection. Or 3 doses of pfizer is slightly more than natural infection.
  - andrekandre 4y ago
    interesting, do you have any peer-reviewed studies for that?
didibus 4y ago
Mycardis also happens from getting COVID-19, and the data shows it is more likely to happen and be more severe from an infection with Covid-19 than from the vaccine. If you understand how the vaccine works, this makes sense, the vaccine simulates an infection with Covid-19, but gives your body the upper edge as the virus is not produced in it's full form and can't reproduce. It's now believed the immune response is responsible for Mycardis, and that for COVID-19 infections the occurrence and effects are stronger because COVID-19 infects heart cells, and causes a stronger immune response than the vaccine. When evaluating the vaccine you need to compare it against the risks of unvaccinated Covid-19 infections. In your lifetime you'll get one or the other, but if you look at all the known data, there's much more risks in an unvaccinated Covid-19 infection than the vaccines. That doesn't mean the vaccines are zero risk, but they seem the the right trade off if you consider the odds. Edit: Also, only the lipid nanoparticle coating is unique to the mRNA vaccines, that means any side-effect caused by the vaccine is also caused by COVID, unless it's a result of the nanoparticle coating. From what I could find, it appears that only the allergic reaction is caused by the lipids, and the other known side-effects are all common with COVID as well and due to the body's immune response or the virus protein itself. And if you were curious, COVID also replicates using RNA, so both the vaccines and Covid also infect your cells with RNA.
- krackers 4y ago
  > the data shows it is more likely to happen and be more severe from an infection with Covid-19 than from the vaccine. No, not when stratified by age group. 2nd dose of moderna vaccine is 6x more likely to cause it for < 40 year olds [1]. If you stratify further (12-25) I suspect you'd find it's even worse. There's also a dose dependence where your chance of myocarditis increases with the number of doses [2], which not only corroborates [1] that the 2nd dose of Moderna is significantly higher risk, but that even 2nd dose of Pfizer puts is basically equal odds with the actual thing. And considering it's not either/or (i.e. the vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing your catching covid), this would mean that the vaccines are a net harm for younger age groups. The dose dependence also seems to indicate some sort of cumulative effect (i.e. with enough infections or enough boosters, some vulnerable segment of the population will almost guaranteed to end up with myocarditis). Since we don't know how large this vulnerable segment is (perhaps somehow related to long-covid susceptibility), it's irresponsible to blindly recommend or mandate boosters for everyone. > the vaccine simulates an infection with Covid-19, but gives your body the upper edge as the virus is not produced in it's full form and can't reproduce. You could alternatively hypothesize that when acquired "naturally" the virus (and whatever proteins it ends up producing) don't immediately go into systemic circulation (instead it needs to progress from respiratory downwards), and the body has time to mount an attack before it hits systemic circulation. [1] https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significantly-higher-after-covid-19-infection-vs-after-a-covid-19-vaccine https://newsroom.heart.org/news/myocarditis-risk-significant... [2] https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myoca...