4 ms·

Portugal is an excellent role model, there are numerous studies on their approach to drugs[0]. While I am not an expert on the subject the model is morally appe

by xfitm3 4y ago

Portugal is an excellent role model, there are numerous studies on their approach to drugs[0]. While I am not an expert on the subject the model is morally appealing to me, and I believe public order is maintained. Begin researching on your own if you're interested in this subject. I feel for anyone who loves a drug user. Separately I just learned fentanyl test strips are not legal in all 50 states. Given that fentanyl is a leading cause of death, giving access to test strips can save lives. I don't know how heavily this law is enforced, but it's a great example of cutting your nose to spite your face. To me it's a litmus test that reinforces the notion the USA's stance on drugs was never about harm reduction. [0] https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13011-021-00394-7 https://substanceabusepolicy.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1...

Akronymus 4y ago
- tarboreus 4y ago
  Because you can't effectively enforce the policy?
  - Akronymus 4y ago
    Enforce the policy of not having drug testing kits be legal?
- culi 4y ago
  > [Fentanyl contributed] to some of the worst riots in recent history is this satire?
  - Akronymus 4y ago
    - lostlogin 4y ago
      Can you explain what you mean? I’m can’t see what you are referring to at all and must be missing something huge.
      - _vdpp 4y ago
        George Floyd’s toxicology report taken after his death indicated fentanyl (and methamphetamine, and THC). https://famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2648-george-floyd-the-toxicology-report https://famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2648-george-floyd-the...
    - culi 4y ago
      The George Floyd protests are the largest protests in all of human history. Anywhere between 15 and 26 million people in the US and countless others across 60 different countries participated. 96.3% of the 7,305 demonstrations identified by the Nonviolent Action Lab and Crowd Counting Consortium involved no injuries and no property damage Even if you wanna weasel your way out of this and just say it's just "a contributing factor" (literally everything could be) how could you possibly even tie those things together?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- tmpz22 4y ago
  > IMO it at least contributed to some of the worst riots in recent history. What an absurd thing to say. Even a cursory Google search proves this to be utterly false.
  - Akronymus 4y ago
    I didnt say it was the sole reason. Contributed to != sole cause
- selectodude 4y ago
  Have you ever even taken an opiate?
  - TillE 4y ago
    Seriously, the suggestion that an opiate makes you aggressive is very funny. The high is just like, pure happiness. Also fentanyl is a big thing because opiates are illegal. If people had a choice they'd stick to the good stuff like oxycodone, which is significantly less dangerous.
    - sillystuff 4y ago
      I assume your experience must be common to explain the prevalence of opioid addiction. But, my experiences are a counter-example-- opioids are not pleasant for everyone. The first time, I was given an opioid (after surgery) I felt irrationally angry-- as in completely irrational anger at e.g., the color the walls were painted. After snapping at my girlfriend who was being super sweet and supportive, I immediately stopped taking them. This was pills, but I do not recall the name. The angry feeling passed within hours after missing the next dose. The period of apology lasted much longer. I can believe that someone experiencing similar irrational anger could do more than verbally snap at someone. The second time, was Dilaudid via IV while recovering in hospital (machine with button to press to self-dose when in pain). No bad reaction this time. I wouldn't describe either experience as euphoric. The first experience was negative and the second, other than helping with pain, was neutral.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- iovrthoughtthis 4y ago
  tea must terrify you!
- ransom1538 4y ago
  "More than 932,000 people have died since 1999 from a drug overdose. In 2020, 91,799 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States. The age-adjusted rate of overdose deaths increased by 31% from 2019 (21.6 per 100,000) to 2020 (28.3 per 100,000)." Fentanyl is very deadly and will start spiking these numbers fast. This means we will have 180k+ yearly deaths in 2.32 years (if it didn't get worse than 2020). wtf. Fentanyl is illegal (a felony in most areas). I agree the War on drugs didn't work. But we are about to lose millions of citizens. https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html
__derek__ 4y ago
> I don't know how heavily this law is enforced, but it's a great example of cutting your nose to spite your face. To me it's a litmus test that reinforces the notion the USA's stance on drugs was never about harm reduction. Was it ever framed as harm reduction?
- xfitm3 4y ago
  If memory serves D.A.R.E. was framed as harm reduction, identical era to M.A.D.D. which in my opinion was focused on harm reduction.

by xfitm3 4y ago

Akronymus 4y ago

tarboreus 4y ago
Because you can't effectively enforce the policy?
- Akronymus 4y ago
  Enforce the policy of not having drug testing kits be legal?
culi 4y ago
> [Fentanyl contributed] to some of the worst riots in recent history is this satire?
- Akronymus 4y ago
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    Can you explain what you mean? I’m can’t see what you are referring to at all and must be missing something huge.
    - _vdpp 4y ago
      George Floyd’s toxicology report taken after his death indicated fentanyl (and methamphetamine, and THC). https://famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2648-george-floyd-the-toxicology-report https://famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2648-george-floyd-the...
  - culi 4y ago
    The George Floyd protests are the largest protests in all of human history. Anywhere between 15 and 26 million people in the US and countless others across 60 different countries participated. 96.3% of the 7,305 demonstrations identified by the Nonviolent Action Lab and Crowd Counting Consortium involved no injuries and no property damage Even if you wanna weasel your way out of this and just say it's just "a contributing factor" (literally everything could be) how could you possibly even tie those things together?
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
tmpz22 4y ago
> IMO it at least contributed to some of the worst riots in recent history. What an absurd thing to say. Even a cursory Google search proves this to be utterly false.
- Akronymus 4y ago
  I didnt say it was the sole reason. Contributed to != sole cause
selectodude 4y ago
Have you ever even taken an opiate?
- TillE 4y ago
  Seriously, the suggestion that an opiate makes you aggressive is very funny. The high is just like, pure happiness. Also fentanyl is a big thing because opiates are illegal. If people had a choice they'd stick to the good stuff like oxycodone, which is significantly less dangerous.
  - sillystuff 4y ago
    I assume your experience must be common to explain the prevalence of opioid addiction. But, my experiences are a counter-example-- opioids are not pleasant for everyone. The first time, I was given an opioid (after surgery) I felt irrationally angry-- as in completely irrational anger at e.g., the color the walls were painted. After snapping at my girlfriend who was being super sweet and supportive, I immediately stopped taking them. This was pills, but I do not recall the name. The angry feeling passed within hours after missing the next dose. The period of apology lasted much longer. I can believe that someone experiencing similar irrational anger could do more than verbally snap at someone. The second time, was Dilaudid via IV while recovering in hospital (machine with button to press to self-dose when in pain). No bad reaction this time. I wouldn't describe either experience as euphoric. The first experience was negative and the second, other than helping with pain, was neutral.
deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
iovrthoughtthis 4y ago
tea must terrify you!
ransom1538 4y ago
"More than 932,000 people have died since 1999 from a drug overdose. In 2020, 91,799 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States. The age-adjusted rate of overdose deaths increased by 31% from 2019 (21.6 per 100,000) to 2020 (28.3 per 100,000)." Fentanyl is very deadly and will start spiking these numbers fast. This means we will have 180k+ yearly deaths in 2.32 years (if it didn't get worse than 2020). wtf. Fentanyl is illegal (a felony in most areas). I agree the War on drugs didn't work. But we are about to lose millions of citizens. https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html

__derek__ 4y ago

> I don't know how heavily this law is enforced, but it's a great example of cutting your nose to spite your face. To me it's a litmus test that reinforces the notion the USA's stance on drugs was never about harm reduction. Was it ever framed as harm reduction?

xfitm3 4y ago
If memory serves D.A.R.E. was framed as harm reduction, identical era to M.A.D.D. which in my opinion was focused on harm reduction.