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In Norway you earn money in prison, and we still have lower percentage of people in prison.

HellsMaddy 4y ago
It's almost like burdening people who have been to prison with immense debt makes them *more* likely to end up back in prison; allowing them work, learn and improve skills, and save up some money for getting back on their feet makes them *less* likely to end up back in prison. Who would've thought?! It almost seems like someone wants people in prison, as if someone is profiting off of it or something. Hmmmm....
- Ekaros 4y ago
  Makes one question does the system even want to keep these people out. Or give them chances to not reoffend. Each time it sounds like there is zero intent to have them reintegrate in society. Even if so many programs and other things are run. But the basics are not covered...
paulryanrogers 4y ago
Is it a fair comparison though? Norway is relatively small and homogenous compared to the US. And doesn't have a puritanical and pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps culture. EDIT: I don't mean to defend the US here. It's a terrible system. Rather just point out the societies are so different I don't think what works in Norway can transfer directly to the US.
- lawn 4y ago
  There is no "fair" comparison, because quite frankly the US is quite unique in this respect. (Well, I guess you could say that countries like North Korea are worse, but even the thought of having to compare against North Korea should give a hint on how bad things really are.)
- powerhour 4y ago
  What does homogeneity have to do with it?
  - paulryanrogers 4y ago
    Homogeneous societies may have different rates of crime or at least different issues. For example in the US there is historic and systemic racism that affects the incarceration issue. Which isn't to say profiteering from incarceration is the answer. Rather that things which work in more cohesive societies may not directly transfer to more heterogeneous ones.

It's almost like burdening people who have been to prison with immense debt makes them *more* likely to end up back in prison; allowing them work, learn and improve skills, and save up some money for getting back on their feet makes them *less* likely to end up back in prison. Who would've thought?! It almost seems like someone wants people in prison, as if someone is profiting off of it or something. Hmmmm....

Ekaros 4y ago
Makes one question does the system even want to keep these people out. Or give them chances to not reoffend. Each time it sounds like there is zero intent to have them reintegrate in society. Even if so many programs and other things are run. But the basics are not covered...

paulryanrogers 4y ago

Is it a fair comparison though? Norway is relatively small and homogenous compared to the US. And doesn't have a puritanical and pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps culture. EDIT: I don't mean to defend the US here. It's a terrible system. Rather just point out the societies are so different I don't think what works in Norway can transfer directly to the US.

lawn 4y ago
There is no "fair" comparison, because quite frankly the US is quite unique in this respect. (Well, I guess you could say that countries like North Korea are worse, but even the thought of having to compare against North Korea should give a hint on how bad things really are.)
powerhour 4y ago
What does homogeneity have to do with it?
- paulryanrogers 4y ago
  Homogeneous societies may have different rates of crime or at least different issues. For example in the US there is historic and systemic racism that affects the incarceration issue. Which isn't to say profiteering from incarceration is the answer. Rather that things which work in more cohesive societies may not directly transfer to more heterogeneous ones.