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Half measures and bandaids tend to create a mess. Publicly fund post secondary education. It will be worth it.

metadat 4y ago
This. Education should be subsidized anyway, it's in our best interest. Education is an investment in America's and the world's future. Education opens the door to dreams becoming reality, and is the backbone we rely on to make progress as a civilization. I'm not satisfied with the status quo that any of the politicians are pushing in the states. This is one area where Germany is leaps and bounds ahead of us - they subsidize it almost 100%. Chasing money for the sake of money is stupid and ultimately yields nothing of lasting value. Talk about "thinking of the children", this is one case where I'd hope we can all agree: the children of today all deserve access to a good education and should be able to ascend as far as they desire in academia. When the rest of us grow old and useless, it's in our own best interest to ensure the kids of today are as capable and intelligent as possible, so they have sufficient resources to care for us. Social security, as it stands, is a terrible and unsustainable plan.
- rufus_foreman 4y ago
  >> Education should be subsidized anyway Education is subsidized. The question is whether 17 years of subsidized education are going to get you significantly better results than 13 years of subsidized education, as in enough to justify the costs.
  - metadat 4y ago
    Arguably, elementary, middle, and highschool are mostly about providing subsidized child care for the masses. The education part is somewhat secondary [unfortunately]. Higher education (college+) is where the big ROI can be obtained. It doesn't take much education to flip burgers or do other jobs that don't require an advanced degree.
colinsane 4y ago
Biden’s mentioned a few goals in the past (while campaigning, and during his term): - federal government covers 2 years of community college for every citizen - federal government covers 75% of tuition for in-state college if the states pick up the other 25%. i’d say both of these are publicly funding higher ed. i assume they were too large to tackle politically in one go. i’d guess we’ll see a more meandering path toward that goal. maybe this takes 30 years. maybe this parallels Obamacare. i wish the incremental changes were less messy, but US politics just isn’t ever that clean.
danaris 4y ago
Speaking from the perspective of a lifelong Democrat: We'd love to. But the people on the other side of the aisle want to drown our government in a bathtub, so it's really hard to get meaningful improvements made.

This. Education should be subsidized anyway, it's in our best interest. Education is an investment in America's and the world's future. Education opens the door to dreams becoming reality, and is the backbone we rely on to make progress as a civilization. I'm not satisfied with the status quo that any of the politicians are pushing in the states. This is one area where Germany is leaps and bounds ahead of us - they subsidize it almost 100%. Chasing money for the sake of money is stupid and ultimately yields nothing of lasting value. Talk about "thinking of the children", this is one case where I'd hope we can all agree: the children of today all deserve access to a good education and should be able to ascend as far as they desire in academia. When the rest of us grow old and useless, it's in our own best interest to ensure the kids of today are as capable and intelligent as possible, so they have sufficient resources to care for us. Social security, as it stands, is a terrible and unsustainable plan.

rufus_foreman 4y ago
>> Education should be subsidized anyway Education is subsidized. The question is whether 17 years of subsidized education are going to get you significantly better results than 13 years of subsidized education, as in enough to justify the costs.
- metadat 4y ago
  Arguably, elementary, middle, and highschool are mostly about providing subsidized child care for the masses. The education part is somewhat secondary [unfortunately]. Higher education (college+) is where the big ROI can be obtained. It doesn't take much education to flip burgers or do other jobs that don't require an advanced degree.

colinsane 4y ago

Biden’s mentioned a few goals in the past (while campaigning, and during his term): - federal government covers 2 years of community college for every citizen - federal government covers 75% of tuition for in-state college if the states pick up the other 25%. i’d say both of these are publicly funding higher ed. i assume they were too large to tackle politically in one go. i’d guess we’ll see a more meandering path toward that goal. maybe this takes 30 years. maybe this parallels Obamacare. i wish the incremental changes were less messy, but US politics just isn’t ever that clean.

danaris 4y ago

Speaking from the perspective of a lifelong Democrat: We'd love to. But the people on the other side of the aisle want to drown our government in a bathtub, so it's really hard to get meaningful improvements made.