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> It was not CYA: The National Archives and DoJ spent 20 months exhausting all legal means to force the return of the documents to a safe facility. You're miss

• criley2 4y ago
  >You're missing the point: the documents should never have left the White House in the first place. Whoever was supposed to check that screwed up. If they're going to throw the book at Trump for keeping them instead of giving them back, they should also be throwing the book at whoever screwed up by letting them out of the White House in the first place. And the Biden administration should have some explaining to do about that. Is anyone asking them? Hollow laugh. What? This is nonsense. Trump can pack and keep things. You honestly think some Secret Service agent is supposed to draw a weapon on the exiting President to force him to leave things behind? Get real. Trump can take what he wants, and he was very proud of what he took, and he publicly claims it is his belongings. This blame-shifting and removing the agency of the previous President is outrageous. He's not a child, he knows what he did, and he's proud of it. >I have no problem with prosecuting people who violate the law. What I have a problem with is extravagantly one-sided reporting, intended to further polarize the country for political gain. The sooner we the people realize that all politicians are crooks and all government is untrustworthy and all media is corrupt, and stop jumping on bandwagons just because someone says something we like without exercising any critical thinking, the better off we'll be. This is exactly the kind of both-sides-ism that leads to exact kind of worst-of-all-time corruption like Trump. There is simply no comparison to those 4 years to any other President of any party. The ill informed hide behind the cheap cynicism of "everyones bad". It takes intellectual bravery to learn, assess, and decide that maybe, just maybe, some things are worse than others.
  • pdonis 4y ago
    > This is nonsense. Why? There are laws about classified material, and they apply to former Presidents. > Trump can pack and keep things...Trump can take what he wants You're contradicting yourself. Either Trump violated laws or he didn't. Before you said he did. But here you're saying he didn't. Which is it? If he's in violation of the law now, then he was in violation of the law when he took the stuff in the first place, which means he can't "take what he wants". What is supposed to happen is that anything the former President wants to take gets checked (not by the Secret Service, by the FBI or the White House staff's in-house security people who are responsible for classified material) to make sure it's not something that requires special handling, like, you know, classified material. > There is simply no comparison to those 4 years to any other President of any party. Your ignorance of history is appalling.
    • criley2 4y ago
      >Why? There are laws about classified material, and they apply to former Presidents. Ah, I see, you're naive enough to think that the Secret Service (or any LEO) are crime-preventers instead of crime-janitors. What an interesting world you think we live in. There are laws, they do apply, and this 20-month process culminating in a search warrant and future indictment is that legal process. And the secret service, as crime-janitors, likely did give testimony to a grand jury. >You're contradicting yourself. Either Trump violated laws or he didn't No I'm not. Trump can pack his things and commit a crime by taking them. Just like you can walk into a 7/11 grab a coke and walk out. That's a crime. You can do it. Trump can pack TS/SCI reports into a box and take them. There would be no point in having a punishment for taking classified materials if in fact it was impossible to do so. >What is supposed to happen is that anything the former President wants to take gets checked (not by the Secret Service, by the FBI or the White House staff's in-house security people who are responsible for classified material) to make sure it's not something that requires special handling, like, you know, classified material This is completely irrelevant. Because even if this doesn't happen, then the Archives will say "Hey you missed some stuff, send it on over, thanks" and a law-abiding President/staff will say "Okie-dokie!" and the entire issue is solved. Blame-shifting to the move-out is a red herring because that was just opportunity #1 out of 20 to handle the documents in a law-abiding way. Trump still had violate #2, #3, #4, all the way down the line before "subpoena" and "search warrant" happened. You can't just hyper-fixate on one event. Read the timeline I posted, it's a 20 month event. >Your ignorance of history is appalling. Your defense of the indefensible is pathetic. If you had the intellectualism to match your insults, you would have simply said the 4 year Presidency that was obviously worse. You would simply have said "Hah! Had you known about Taft, you would not say this!" But because you know of no 4 year period worse, you simply insult me as if doing so is a suitable replacement for an actual argument. As I have posted deep sourcing for the facts I stated here including the only 1st-party evidence in the thread, and I think this is just a very angry young person, I am going to leave this thread. Have fun!