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Then don’t. There’s a big internet out there. Apple Silicon is the most exiting thing to happen in the field in decades. Apple handles platform transitions rea

Then don’t. There’s a big internet out there. Apple Silicon is the most exiting thing to happen in the field in decades. Apple handles platform transitions really well so it may seem less of a tectonic shift than it actually is. It’s normal for people to be enthusiastic amongst such facts.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Then why not be enthusiastic about it on AS threads. This thread is about Intel chiplet design, it ahs nothing to do with AS so why pollute every silicone thread with this offtopic.
- tambourine_man 4y ago
  Is it OK to mention AMD on Intel threads? AS is not the same ISA, but to me, it’s all the same topic: consumer level chips.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    And where can I go buy these Apple consumer chips to put in my PC? Do you see how this works?
    - tambourine_man 4y ago
      I don’t see how it only makes it on topic if the vendor sells individual parts but to each their own.
      - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        Because Apple only sells Apple devices, not chips. AS parts can only be found in the Apple ecosystem and can only be bought exclusively within devices Apple sells, while the other part (X86 from Intel and AMD) can be bough by anyone, run almost any OS and SW to date, and be used in any design/application you can dream of from laptops, PCs, servers, consoles, mainframes, cloud datacenters, robots, planes, even inside Tesla's head unit, while AS is just in a few Apple devices that don't overlap with most for the segments I mentioned before. One silicone part has an impact over the entire computing sphere, while the other is relevant only within the Apple ecosystem. So bringing up AS in all threads about generic computing chips that anyone can buy directly is pointless as Apple does not cater to that market. That's like me bringing up how fast my Ferrari is in threads about utilitarian vans and pickup trucks. Sure, they're both cars, but they don't compete in the same segments, so Ferrari making an even faster car has no impact or threat on the market of vans and pickups.
        tambourine_man 4y ago
        People buy laptops, mostly. They don’t even buy individual chips, aside from niche markets. So comparing MacBooks to Lenovos and the likes seem pretty distant from the Ferrari vs trucks analogy. I also seems undeniable that Apple's move to custom silicon shook up the entire market, challenged preconceptions. It was a pivotal moment for the industry as a whole, not Macs only.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        The compute chip market is much, much bigger than just laptops, iPhones and MacBooks. Like I said, it' also servers, FPGAs, cloud, datacenters, consoles, GPUs, AI-ML, cars, vision, etc. and Apple's silicone is absent form most of those sectors while these are Nvidia's, Intel and AMD's bread and butter. So comparing a chip that can only be found in Apple laptops to chips from Intel and AMD that are sold and used in hundreds of other industries and thousands of different devices is completely pointless as they're not competing in the same sectors. When Apple will sell its chips to consumers, PC OEMs, datacenters, console manufacturers, AI and car companies, with full documentation and Linux support, in order to compete on the same turf with Intel and AMD, then we can talk about an industry wide revolution. But until then, this "revolution" will not extend beyond the Apple/Mac ecosystem where Apple has no competitors, and who's market share in the general PC space is still tiny.
        tambourine_man 4y ago
        Apple doesn’t have to sell parts in order to change the industry. Check out Intel’s offerings and roadmap and compare it to two years ago.
7speter 4y ago
It would be exciting if you could add more memory to their machines, and maybe gpus, on systems that cost less than 6000 dollars (and even those haven't transitioned to apple's in house cpu architecture). For now, Apple Silicon is just sorta a blip because most people buy them for coding environments and editing pictures, and apple decides to dedicate all of those performance per watts on having Apple Music boot up as fast as possible on boot. For me, I get the popcorn out for all the ongoing GPU drama between AMD, Nvidia and now Intel. All of that seems to be the sequel to Pirates of Silicon Valley.
- tambourine_man 4y ago
  None of your 3 paragraphs make any sense to me. 1st paragraph: SOC are not upgradable, that’s the whole point of the trade of and most of what makes this tradition exciting. What will Apple do with the Mac Pro is the most important question in this industry for the last couple of years. 2nd: what? Apple Music what? 3rd: what does that movie, which was about Apple and Microsoft, had to do with any of the current chip industry and its many players?

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

Then why not be enthusiastic about it on AS threads. This thread is about Intel chiplet design, it ahs nothing to do with AS so why pollute every silicone thread with this offtopic.

tambourine_man 4y ago
Is it OK to mention AMD on Intel threads? AS is not the same ISA, but to me, it’s all the same topic: consumer level chips.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  And where can I go buy these Apple consumer chips to put in my PC? Do you see how this works?
  - tambourine_man 4y ago
    I don’t see how it only makes it on topic if the vendor sells individual parts but to each their own.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      Because Apple only sells Apple devices, not chips. AS parts can only be found in the Apple ecosystem and can only be bought exclusively within devices Apple sells, while the other part (X86 from Intel and AMD) can be bough by anyone, run almost any OS and SW to date, and be used in any design/application you can dream of from laptops, PCs, servers, consoles, mainframes, cloud datacenters, robots, planes, even inside Tesla's head unit, while AS is just in a few Apple devices that don't overlap with most for the segments I mentioned before. One silicone part has an impact over the entire computing sphere, while the other is relevant only within the Apple ecosystem. So bringing up AS in all threads about generic computing chips that anyone can buy directly is pointless as Apple does not cater to that market. That's like me bringing up how fast my Ferrari is in threads about utilitarian vans and pickup trucks. Sure, they're both cars, but they don't compete in the same segments, so Ferrari making an even faster car has no impact or threat on the market of vans and pickups.
      - tambourine_man 4y ago
        People buy laptops, mostly. They don’t even buy individual chips, aside from niche markets. So comparing MacBooks to Lenovos and the likes seem pretty distant from the Ferrari vs trucks analogy. I also seems undeniable that Apple's move to custom silicon shook up the entire market, challenged preconceptions. It was a pivotal moment for the industry as a whole, not Macs only.
        ChuckNorris89 4y ago
        The compute chip market is much, much bigger than just laptops, iPhones and MacBooks. Like I said, it' also servers, FPGAs, cloud, datacenters, consoles, GPUs, AI-ML, cars, vision, etc. and Apple's silicone is absent form most of those sectors while these are Nvidia's, Intel and AMD's bread and butter. So comparing a chip that can only be found in Apple laptops to chips from Intel and AMD that are sold and used in hundreds of other industries and thousands of different devices is completely pointless as they're not competing in the same sectors. When Apple will sell its chips to consumers, PC OEMs, datacenters, console manufacturers, AI and car companies, with full documentation and Linux support, in order to compete on the same turf with Intel and AMD, then we can talk about an industry wide revolution. But until then, this "revolution" will not extend beyond the Apple/Mac ecosystem where Apple has no competitors, and who's market share in the general PC space is still tiny.
        tambourine_man 4y ago
        Apple doesn’t have to sell parts in order to change the industry. Check out Intel’s offerings and roadmap and compare it to two years ago.

7speter 4y ago

It would be exciting if you could add more memory to their machines, and maybe gpus, on systems that cost less than 6000 dollars (and even those haven't transitioned to apple's in house cpu architecture). For now, Apple Silicon is just sorta a blip because most people buy them for coding environments and editing pictures, and apple decides to dedicate all of those performance per watts on having Apple Music boot up as fast as possible on boot. For me, I get the popcorn out for all the ongoing GPU drama between AMD, Nvidia and now Intel. All of that seems to be the sequel to Pirates of Silicon Valley.

tambourine_man 4y ago
None of your 3 paragraphs make any sense to me. 1st paragraph: SOC are not upgradable, that’s the whole point of the trade of and most of what makes this tradition exciting. What will Apple do with the Mac Pro is the most important question in this industry for the last couple of years. 2nd: what? Apple Music what? 3rd: what does that movie, which was about Apple and Microsoft, had to do with any of the current chip industry and its many players?