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I'm glad that your 4 cases of COVID did not leave you with any debilitating side effects, but treating Long COVID so flippantly when it has ruined so many lives

I'm glad that your 4 cases of COVID did not leave you with any debilitating side effects, but treating Long COVID so flippantly when it has ruined so many lives is a pretty ghoulish thing to do. I know people who are absolutely miserable because it left them with breathing/fatigue issues or cognitive disabilities - things that are known to be real and are observable via diagnostic tests. Whataboutism like "has anyone studied Long Cold" really does no one any favors.

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mlyle 4y ago
> Whataboutism like "has anyone studied Long Cold" really does no one any favors. Which, you know, we've probably messed up by not studying post-viral syndromes more as we're accumulating more and more evidence that they're important to long-term health outcomes. It just took COVID to fully convince us of this importance, because it does it so visibly at such a higher rate. I believe half to 3/4 of "long covid" is anxiety and hypochondria. But that still leaves a pretty substantial "real" burden.
- monetus 4y ago
  This has implications in the levels of coverage hospitals and insurance will have to extend to aftercare right? I wonder how long that will take to play out.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    Maybe. I mean, in general, if you have a health plan you're covered for something whether it's a follow-on effect of something before or it's something new.
Thlom 4y ago
This is all very strange to me. Basically everyone I know have had Covid, but no one are reporting any “long Covid”. Same with the rest of the country. Pretty sure most of us have had Covid at this point, but very little reports of long term effects. I’m sure there’s some people who experience long term effects of Covid, much the same as many people will experience long term effects from f.ex influenza. It’s just something that doesn’t fit right in my head. From the start of the pandemic Covid has been reported as much more dangerous in the US than in many other countries. I would be interested in seeing a comparison of long Covid in the US and a country that is much more relaxed about the whole thing, perhaps one of the Scandinavian countries. There might be cultural issues and/or “pre-existing” health issues that effects how Covid works on the populace.
- mlyle 4y ago
  https://covid19dataportal.se/dashboards/post_covid/ https://covid19dataportal.se/dashboards/post_covid/ 8500 recorded cases may not sound like much (for one possible diagnostic code of a few choices), but that's 0.1% of the population, and about half the number of people who died in Sweden. That's a pretty substantial amount of increased disability, especially if the risk of long COVID on each infection is close to independent (e.g. we keep accumulating people with long term effects at this kind of rate). I have a family member affected; went from highly active to completely intolerant of exercise in her early 20's. Walking half a mile wipes her out for a few days.
- somewhereoutth 4y ago
  People quite often 'suffer in silence'. Furthermore, I can assure you that Covid has been reported as just as dangerous outside the US as within. Indeed, it was within the US that it became most strongly politicised, spawning such dangerous nonsense as it is 'just the flu'.
- clcaev 4y ago
  Our neighbor got long covid. Went from a very active, helpful and involved community member .. into a recluse who lost his job, has not been able to function let alone work for almost 2 years now, and combined with economic strain is now facing bankruptcy and a divorce. Dramatic and tragic outcome for something that is "just the flu". My dad's take on it? "bad genes". For those suffering, to hear such casual dismissal is just salt in the wound.
  - pstuart 4y ago
    It's beyond disheartening that this disease has been so politicized.
- vkou 4y ago
  > This is all very strange to me. Basically everyone I know have had Covid, but no one are reporting any “long Covid”. Five of my teammates had it. One of them got long Covid. > From the start of the pandemic Covid has been reported as much more dangerous in the US than in many other countries. The US is a leader in the developed world when it comes to the venn diagram of co-morbidities, obesity, and poor access to healthcare for the people most afflicted by it. It also has a generous helping of anti-collective-action public attitudes, horrible sick time policy, and a large fragment of the population that's been primed to believe all sorts of unscientific nonsense, due to a few decades of cynical and self-serving political messaging. All of these factors are present in other countries, but to a lesser extent.
jotm 4y ago
Yeah? I need plenty of health care myself and I've been shat on nearly every time. My flippant attitude doesn't affect you nor anyone else. I just shit online like everyone else.

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mlyle 4y ago

> Whataboutism like "has anyone studied Long Cold" really does no one any favors. Which, you know, we've probably messed up by not studying post-viral syndromes more as we're accumulating more and more evidence that they're important to long-term health outcomes. It just took COVID to fully convince us of this importance, because it does it so visibly at such a higher rate. I believe half to 3/4 of "long covid" is anxiety and hypochondria. But that still leaves a pretty substantial "real" burden.

monetus 4y ago
This has implications in the levels of coverage hospitals and insurance will have to extend to aftercare right? I wonder how long that will take to play out.
- mlyle 4y ago
  Maybe. I mean, in general, if you have a health plan you're covered for something whether it's a follow-on effect of something before or it's something new.

Thlom 4y ago

This is all very strange to me. Basically everyone I know have had Covid, but no one are reporting any “long Covid”. Same with the rest of the country. Pretty sure most of us have had Covid at this point, but very little reports of long term effects. I’m sure there’s some people who experience long term effects of Covid, much the same as many people will experience long term effects from f.ex influenza. It’s just something that doesn’t fit right in my head. From the start of the pandemic Covid has been reported as much more dangerous in the US than in many other countries. I would be interested in seeing a comparison of long Covid in the US and a country that is much more relaxed about the whole thing, perhaps one of the Scandinavian countries. There might be cultural issues and/or “pre-existing” health issues that effects how Covid works on the populace.

mlyle 4y ago
https://covid19dataportal.se/dashboards/post_covid/ https://covid19dataportal.se/dashboards/post_covid/ 8500 recorded cases may not sound like much (for one possible diagnostic code of a few choices), but that's 0.1% of the population, and about half the number of people who died in Sweden. That's a pretty substantial amount of increased disability, especially if the risk of long COVID on each infection is close to independent (e.g. we keep accumulating people with long term effects at this kind of rate). I have a family member affected; went from highly active to completely intolerant of exercise in her early 20's. Walking half a mile wipes her out for a few days.
somewhereoutth 4y ago
People quite often 'suffer in silence'. Furthermore, I can assure you that Covid has been reported as just as dangerous outside the US as within. Indeed, it was within the US that it became most strongly politicised, spawning such dangerous nonsense as it is 'just the flu'.
clcaev 4y ago
Our neighbor got long covid. Went from a very active, helpful and involved community member .. into a recluse who lost his job, has not been able to function let alone work for almost 2 years now, and combined with economic strain is now facing bankruptcy and a divorce. Dramatic and tragic outcome for something that is "just the flu". My dad's take on it? "bad genes". For those suffering, to hear such casual dismissal is just salt in the wound.
- pstuart 4y ago
  It's beyond disheartening that this disease has been so politicized.
vkou 4y ago
> This is all very strange to me. Basically everyone I know have had Covid, but no one are reporting any “long Covid”. Five of my teammates had it. One of them got long Covid. > From the start of the pandemic Covid has been reported as much more dangerous in the US than in many other countries. The US is a leader in the developed world when it comes to the venn diagram of co-morbidities, obesity, and poor access to healthcare for the people most afflicted by it. It also has a generous helping of anti-collective-action public attitudes, horrible sick time policy, and a large fragment of the population that's been primed to believe all sorts of unscientific nonsense, due to a few decades of cynical and self-serving political messaging. All of these factors are present in other countries, but to a lesser extent.

jotm 4y ago

Yeah? I need plenty of health care myself and I've been shat on nearly every time. My flippant attitude doesn't affect you nor anyone else. I just shit online like everyone else.