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> You just proved my point, because the list you provided does not go back that far, and, almost none of those people are famous. > People of generations past
by jollybean 4y ago
> You just proved my point, because the list you provided does not go back that far, and, almost none of those people are famous.
> People of generations past did not generally aspire to take the easiest, lowliest path to some kind of arbitrary success.
> Your delving into whataboutery trying to argue that artists, especially those who are also entertainers don't contribute something. You could argue the same about anything.
- DubiousPusher 4y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nan_Kempner https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nan_Kempner https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zsa_Zsa_Gabor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zsa_Zsa_Gabor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Toya_Jackson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Toya_Jackson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Winkler https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Winkler https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raquel_Welch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana,_Princess_of_Wales https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana,_Princess_of_Wales https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Roosevelt_Longworth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Roosevelt_Longworth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edie_Sedgwick https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edie_Sedgwick Vogue magazine made many women nationaly famous who would've otherwise been known only within a certain social set by dubbing them "it girl" or "girl of the year". I never said entertainers don't contribute. I explicitly said their products may in fact have a positive impact on people. I just don't agree that that warrants fame. IMO, a lot of people knowing about you or your work is different from the concept of fame as discussed here.
- jollybean 4y ago? I don't think this list helps your argument. There's always a few rich socialites lingering around almost nobody knows who they are - and they were not aspirational figures. Henry Winkler is an actor, for god's sake, he was the Fonzarelli, one of the most iconic characters on Television, he's still acting on award winning productions to this day. Raquel Welch (?) is at least working actress. Look at her IMDB [1]. There's nary a single year since 1960 where she wasn't doing some film or made for TV Movie tripe. Never, ever, in my early life (pre 2000) did I meet someone who either 1) knew much about socialites or 2) aspired to be one. [1] https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000079/ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000079/