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Nuclear isn't going well for France right now. And most of the EU uran comes from Russia

spaceman_2020 4y ago
Yeah but nuclear fuel can be sourced from elsewhere - it does not have the steep physical barriers of nat gas. And any existing nuclear power issues can be solved. The amount of sunlight your receive, however, will always be the same.
- number6 4y ago
  How do you solve that the rivers are too hot to cool the reactors to produce more energy?
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    We have built reactors in literal deserts, but the cooling system needs to bw different ofcourse https://min.news/en/tech/30bdf6748162428883857d361132e177.html https://min.news/en/tech/30bdf6748162428883857d361132e177.ht...
  - voqv 4y ago
    This meme has to end, there’s only one nuclear power plant in France (Blayais) that has no cooling towers, and another 4 have to occasionally throttle power output due to ecological concerns (used water is too hot, they currently have temporary exceptions).
  - pyrale 4y ago
    The water is never too hot to cool the reactors, it's too hot to release back into the river, for environmental reasons. Evaporative cooling solves that problem, but then you "lose" water, which is never great in a heat wave. A nuclear plant using sea water never stops due to heat waves, because it can dilute any amount of hot water.
    - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
      The water can get too hot and/or short in supply to cool the nuclear plant. It's not magic, it's a machine with design limits that extreme weather events can push up against. It also can pollute rivers and kill fish before it gets to that level. Sea cooled reactors have issues with jellyfish. Having said that, the EU needs more gas in winter when it's cold, so doing the maintenance/refueling in the summer makes sense. Still doesn't change the basic facts that a mix of solar/wind etc. is cheaper and better than nuclear and the annoying 'nuclear isn't affected by the weather' meme is wrong.
      - effie 4y ago
        You forgot storage or massive long distance transportation that nuclear future does not require, but solar/wind future does. That changes the "cheaper and better" to "there is no cheap solution, we need both solar/wind and nuclear".
      - pyrale 4y ago
        > It's not magic, it's a machine with design limits that extreme weather events can push up against. We have yet to see 80°c water in the rivers upstream. As I said earlier, the issue is never cooling the reactor, it's always about the state of the environment downstream.
synotna2 4y ago
> Nuclear isn't going well for France right now. And most of the EU uran comes from Russia Even not doing well it's better then Germany's wind and solar - it's rare to see Germany electricity polluting going below 4x France - not to mention coal whose transportation is also affected by low water levels

spaceman_2020 4y ago

Yeah but nuclear fuel can be sourced from elsewhere - it does not have the steep physical barriers of nat gas. And any existing nuclear power issues can be solved. The amount of sunlight your receive, however, will always be the same.

number6 4y ago
How do you solve that the rivers are too hot to cool the reactors to produce more energy?
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  We have built reactors in literal deserts, but the cooling system needs to bw different ofcourse https://min.news/en/tech/30bdf6748162428883857d361132e177.html https://min.news/en/tech/30bdf6748162428883857d361132e177.ht...
- voqv 4y ago
  This meme has to end, there’s only one nuclear power plant in France (Blayais) that has no cooling towers, and another 4 have to occasionally throttle power output due to ecological concerns (used water is too hot, they currently have temporary exceptions).
- pyrale 4y ago
  The water is never too hot to cool the reactors, it's too hot to release back into the river, for environmental reasons. Evaporative cooling solves that problem, but then you "lose" water, which is never great in a heat wave. A nuclear plant using sea water never stops due to heat waves, because it can dilute any amount of hot water.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    The water can get too hot and/or short in supply to cool the nuclear plant. It's not magic, it's a machine with design limits that extreme weather events can push up against. It also can pollute rivers and kill fish before it gets to that level. Sea cooled reactors have issues with jellyfish. Having said that, the EU needs more gas in winter when it's cold, so doing the maintenance/refueling in the summer makes sense. Still doesn't change the basic facts that a mix of solar/wind etc. is cheaper and better than nuclear and the annoying 'nuclear isn't affected by the weather' meme is wrong.
    - effie 4y ago
      You forgot storage or massive long distance transportation that nuclear future does not require, but solar/wind future does. That changes the "cheaper and better" to "there is no cheap solution, we need both solar/wind and nuclear".
    - pyrale 4y ago
      > It's not magic, it's a machine with design limits that extreme weather events can push up against. We have yet to see 80°c water in the rivers upstream. As I said earlier, the issue is never cooling the reactor, it's always about the state of the environment downstream.

synotna2 4y ago

> Nuclear isn't going well for France right now. And most of the EU uran comes from Russia Even not doing well it's better then Germany's wind and solar - it's rare to see Germany electricity polluting going below 4x France - not to mention coal whose transportation is also affected by low water levels