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No matter what magic plan anyone comes up with it would take years to implement. Nuclear, more insulation, hydrogen, new gas fields. It's almost winter already.

neverrroot 4y ago
Exactly, because it was all done without a proper plan. And they have been warned multiple times, laughter and sarcasm is unfortunately all they had as a reply. Now this.
Tarsul 4y ago
the magic plan should be to consume less and less and less. If we would consume 20% less, which should be absolutely doable, these problems would alleviate itself quite fast (well, we still should invest as much as we can in renewables). However, for that to happen we would need to have governments that are not afraid and act.
- neverrroot 4y ago
  I have doubts.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > If we would consume 20% less, which should be absolutely doable, these problems would alleviate itself quite fast (well, we still should invest as much as we can in renewables). However, for that to happen we would need to have governments that are not afraid and act. Act how exactly? How do you propose on forcing everyone, citizens and enterprises, to consume less energy? Why would they want to do that? Transition to less energy intensive alternatives sure (like LEDs), but that's not easy, will require massive investments and is by the way already in progress.
mantas 4y ago
More insulation is double edge sword. I moved into a super-energy-efficient house here in north/east Europe. Heating in winter is damn cheap. But retention works in summer too… so I had to get air conditioner :( And electrical ventilation is a must all year round to get air fresh, keep module at bay ant not loose energy living with open windows. Energy saving in bottom line will be abysmal :(
- goodpoint 4y ago
  > But retention works in summer too… so I had to get air conditioner It's the opposite. Insulation protects you from heat as well. That's why refrigerators are very much insulated.
  - mantas 4y ago
    Insulation protects only so long till it heats up. Then it keeps the heat inside.
    - goodpoint 4y ago
      No, that's just thermal mass and it's zero-sum. That's why you need aircon. Removing insulation doesn't magically make your home cooler.
      - mantas 4y ago
        Removing insulation means house cools down fast once sun goes down. Which is important for sleeping. While there're myriad of ways to handle heat during the day.
- badpun 4y ago
  That house would be much worse without the insulation. That's why it's unbearably hot in summer in say a shack made of out sheet metal (such shack would be much more bearable if it was insulated).
  - mantas 4y ago
    Metal shack would be worse in the middle of the day. Insulated house retains heat at night. Spending day outside is an option, spending a night is much worse.
    - badpun 4y ago
      During the night, you can... open windows and create draft? Unless the night is very hot, it should be enough to bring temperature inside down to manageable levels.

neverrroot 4y ago

Exactly, because it was all done without a proper plan. And they have been warned multiple times, laughter and sarcasm is unfortunately all they had as a reply. Now this.

Tarsul 4y ago

the magic plan should be to consume less and less and less. If we would consume 20% less, which should be absolutely doable, these problems would alleviate itself quite fast (well, we still should invest as much as we can in renewables). However, for that to happen we would need to have governments that are not afraid and act.

neverrroot 4y ago
I have doubts.
sofixa 4y ago
> If we would consume 20% less, which should be absolutely doable, these problems would alleviate itself quite fast (well, we still should invest as much as we can in renewables). However, for that to happen we would need to have governments that are not afraid and act. Act how exactly? How do you propose on forcing everyone, citizens and enterprises, to consume less energy? Why would they want to do that? Transition to less energy intensive alternatives sure (like LEDs), but that's not easy, will require massive investments and is by the way already in progress.

mantas 4y ago

More insulation is double edge sword. I moved into a super-energy-efficient house here in north/east Europe. Heating in winter is damn cheap. But retention works in summer too… so I had to get air conditioner :( And electrical ventilation is a must all year round to get air fresh, keep module at bay ant not loose energy living with open windows. Energy saving in bottom line will be abysmal :(

goodpoint 4y ago
> But retention works in summer too… so I had to get air conditioner It's the opposite. Insulation protects you from heat as well. That's why refrigerators are very much insulated.
- mantas 4y ago
  Insulation protects only so long till it heats up. Then it keeps the heat inside.
  - goodpoint 4y ago
    No, that's just thermal mass and it's zero-sum. That's why you need aircon. Removing insulation doesn't magically make your home cooler.
    - mantas 4y ago
      Removing insulation means house cools down fast once sun goes down. Which is important for sleeping. While there're myriad of ways to handle heat during the day.
badpun 4y ago
That house would be much worse without the insulation. That's why it's unbearably hot in summer in say a shack made of out sheet metal (such shack would be much more bearable if it was insulated).
- mantas 4y ago
  Metal shack would be worse in the middle of the day. Insulated house retains heat at night. Spending day outside is an option, spending a night is much worse.
  - badpun 4y ago
    During the night, you can... open windows and create draft? Unless the night is very hot, it should be enough to bring temperature inside down to manageable levels.