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> but he wasn't politically involved like other politicians children and there wasn't much tangible beyond that He was a board member of a Ukrainian oil compan

> but he wasn't politically involved like other politicians children and there wasn't much tangible beyond that He was a board member of a Ukrainian oil company receiving tons of money having 0-energy related business experience. Then there's the firing of the prosecutor looking into the corruption of Burisma at the behest of Joe Biden ("son of bitch, he got fired"). Now we're sending billions of dollars over there with reports saying few of those dollars are going to the front lines. Conservatively, there's enough there to warrant the appearance of impropriety and the American public deserve to have answers. When a story came out exposing this behavior the democratic party, the major news networks, social networks, and now the FBI actively peddled misinformation wrongly calling it Russian-propoganda and/or censoring/suppressing it. Seems sketch.

myko 4y ago
> FBI actively peddled misinformation wrongly calling it Russian-propoganda and/or censoring/suppressing it. No, they weren't wrong. This was a Russian propaganda op to amplify a non-story.
- typeofhuman 4y ago
  What part of the story was inaccurate?
  - myko 4y ago
    The part that alleges the laptop and all the information on it are Hunter's. A laptop exists, yes, but it doesn't mean it's Hunter's or has his information. It also doesn't come close to implicating Joe Biden in any way. All it does is show Hunter is a drug user and has a lot of sex. This was known already. Even the guy who _found_ the laptop says it is likely disinformation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warni...
    - rendall 4y ago
      > "People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation." No credible news source any longer disputes that it was indeed Hunter Biden's laptop. Does this change your opinion of anything? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-...
      - myko 4y ago
        > No credible news source any longer disputes that it was indeed Hunter Biden's laptop. Does this change your opinion of anything? It's already my opinion that the laptop could have belonged to Hunter at some point (no clear evidence on how it was lost-perhaps stolen). We know it was accessed and modified many times by many people, though. We also know there's no evidence of any malfeasance on Joe Biden's part. Given that, what opinion have I claimed in here that you think I should change? Does the following affect your opinion at all? These are some links/quotes that have been posted in other places under this article: "An analysis by Distributed Denial of Secrets of 128,755 emails allegedly copied from the laptop and circulated by allies and former staff of President Donald Trump showed "signs of tampering" including 145 modification dates and emails created more than a year after Hunter Biden allegedly had the laptop." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controve... https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Hunter_Biden_emails#Timeline https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Hunter_Biden_emails#Timeline https://ddosecrets.substack.com/p/release-hunter-biden-emails-36-gb https://ddosecrets.substack.com/p/release-hunter-biden-email... The guy who found the laptop says that claims being made do not match what he saw on the laptop, and it is known that the data has changed hands and been modified multiple times post any Hunter connection: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warni... “[An expert] also found records on the drive that indicated someone may have accessed the drive from a West Coast location in October 2020, little more than a week after the first New York Post stories on Hunter Biden’s laptop appeared.” “Over the next few days, somebody created three additional folders on the drive, titled, ‘Mail,' ‘Salacious Pics Package’ and ‘Big Guy File’ — an apparent reference to Joe Biden.” ... In other words, Mac Isaac [note: the guy who was given the laptop] says that he has seen claims about what the laptop contains that don’t actually reflect what he saw on the laptop at the outset. Additionally, I think folks are losing the forest for the trees: the entire point of this smear campaign is to allege Joe Biden improperly leaned on Ukraine to fire a prosecutor. That is ridiculous on its face as it is well known that the prosecutor in question was corrupt, and it was US policy–not Biden's, but Obama's–to convince Ukraine to fire him. This was a multinational effort btw, not just the US. Do you feel like Biden was wrong to get the guy fired? Some background information on what happened there: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrat...
peter422 4y ago
> Now we're sending billions of dollars over there with reports saying few of those dollars are going to the front lines. The vast majority of the “money” we are sending is military equipment that the U.S. produces. You think Ukraine is reselling it to somebody else while they are in the middle of a war?
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > The vast majority of the “money” we are sending is military equipment that the U.S. produces. You think Ukraine is reselling it to somebody else while they are in the middle of a war? This story that is now continuously pushed by pro Russians is based off a single story from a single NGO that didn't even relate to the current stage of the war. This story instead was talking about how weapons where being targeted by Russia before they reached the front lines early on and is not at all relevant anymore. What people are trying to do is angle this story as the weapons being sold, but it's actually about weapon shipments being targeted by Russia.

myko 4y ago

> FBI actively peddled misinformation wrongly calling it Russian-propoganda and/or censoring/suppressing it. No, they weren't wrong. This was a Russian propaganda op to amplify a non-story.

typeofhuman 4y ago
What part of the story was inaccurate?
- myko 4y ago
  The part that alleges the laptop and all the information on it are Hunter's. A laptop exists, yes, but it doesn't mean it's Hunter's or has his information. It also doesn't come close to implicating Joe Biden in any way. All it does is show Hunter is a drug user and has a lot of sex. This was known already. Even the guy who _found_ the laptop says it is likely disinformation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warni...
  - rendall 4y ago
    > "People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation." No credible news source any longer disputes that it was indeed Hunter Biden's laptop. Does this change your opinion of anything? https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-...
    - myko 4y ago
      > No credible news source any longer disputes that it was indeed Hunter Biden's laptop. Does this change your opinion of anything? It's already my opinion that the laptop could have belonged to Hunter at some point (no clear evidence on how it was lost-perhaps stolen). We know it was accessed and modified many times by many people, though. We also know there's no evidence of any malfeasance on Joe Biden's part. Given that, what opinion have I claimed in here that you think I should change? Does the following affect your opinion at all? These are some links/quotes that have been posted in other places under this article: "An analysis by Distributed Denial of Secrets of 128,755 emails allegedly copied from the laptop and circulated by allies and former staff of President Donald Trump showed "signs of tampering" including 145 modification dates and emails created more than a year after Hunter Biden allegedly had the laptop." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controve... https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Hunter_Biden_emails#Timeline https://ddosecrets.com/wiki/Hunter_Biden_emails#Timeline https://ddosecrets.substack.com/p/release-hunter-biden-emails-36-gb https://ddosecrets.substack.com/p/release-hunter-biden-email... The guy who found the laptop says that claims being made do not match what he saw on the laptop, and it is known that the data has changed hands and been modified multiple times post any Hunter connection: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warni... “[An expert] also found records on the drive that indicated someone may have accessed the drive from a West Coast location in October 2020, little more than a week after the first New York Post stories on Hunter Biden’s laptop appeared.” “Over the next few days, somebody created three additional folders on the drive, titled, ‘Mail,' ‘Salacious Pics Package’ and ‘Big Guy File’ — an apparent reference to Joe Biden.” ... In other words, Mac Isaac [note: the guy who was given the laptop] says that he has seen claims about what the laptop contains that don’t actually reflect what he saw on the laptop at the outset. Additionally, I think folks are losing the forest for the trees: the entire point of this smear campaign is to allege Joe Biden improperly leaned on Ukraine to fire a prosecutor. That is ridiculous on its face as it is well known that the prosecutor in question was corrupt, and it was US policy–not Biden's, but Obama's–to convince Ukraine to fire him. This was a multinational effort btw, not just the US. Do you feel like Biden was wrong to get the guy fired? Some background information on what happened there: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrat...

peter422 4y ago

> Now we're sending billions of dollars over there with reports saying few of those dollars are going to the front lines. The vast majority of the “money” we are sending is military equipment that the U.S. produces. You think Ukraine is reselling it to somebody else while they are in the middle of a war?

_kbh_ 4y ago
> The vast majority of the “money” we are sending is military equipment that the U.S. produces. You think Ukraine is reselling it to somebody else while they are in the middle of a war? This story that is now continuously pushed by pro Russians is based off a single story from a single NGO that didn't even relate to the current stage of the war. This story instead was talking about how weapons where being targeted by Russia before they reached the front lines early on and is not at all relevant anymore. What people are trying to do is angle this story as the weapons being sold, but it's actually about weapon shipments being targeted by Russia.