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If this is a war time situation why don't we build alternatives(i.e renewables) like in a war situation?
by theplumber 4y ago
If this is a war time situation why don't we build alternatives(i.e renewables) like in a war situation?
- ClumsyPilot 4y agoBecause in the conservative ideology when government has a plan, that's socialism
- jl6 4y agoThey are - renewables investment is at an all time high. But it takes time to build and bring online and investment in storage hasn’t kept pace with investment in generation.
- pydry 4y agoThats coz when we max out renewables 40% of electricity still comes from gas. Theres literally zero point in storage until renewable generation starts edging towards 100% at least sometimes. Investment has started though - there's coire glas, which is taking about 5 years to build. 5 more of them and we could go 99% renewable on solar and wind alone.
- makomk 4y agoA substantial proportion of renewable capacity is already lost to curtailment in the UK, and supposedly this could be reduced by storage. This happens well before renewable generation hits 100% even some of the time for various reasons (transmission capacity bottlenecks, the need for a certain amount of dispatchable power to ensure grid stability, and so on).
- theplumber 4y agoAll time high is not enough for a war situation.
- paganel 4y agoBecause most of those alternatives are just economic Wunderwaffen. It’s going to be a very bad landing for the common people in the West, not sure if it will also bring systemic change, but something will have to give. I just hope we’re not at the 1932 metaphorical moment.
- kergonath 4y ago> Wunderwaffen That is a great analogy. Our technologies will improve, but it is madness to voluntarily depend on future advances that might or might not happen and might or might not be practical. We need Liberty ships (cheap, effective, reliable energy production units, however imperfect), not just sit here doing nothing because we’ll somehow figure out energy storage later, or we’ve read a pop sci article touting a new technology that’s unlikely to ever be practical. We also need to realise that we need a total effort, not military but similar in scale to what we did during WWII. We need to build now all we can that is low-carbon, because half-arsing it won’t be enough. We also need to reduce consumption as much as possible. Keeping something close to a current western way of life will be hard enough, but things like humongous cars, SUVs and pickup trucks are madness. Even Teslas are very problematic and detrimental overall. So is living in the desert, and mass migrations even within countries need to be planned to avoid utter chaos. Energy production is just the sharp tip.
- rjsw 4y agoThere are renewables and nuclear, the artificial market in the UK fixes the wholesale price for electricity generated by them to the price for electricity generated by gas.
- iso1631 4y agoMy understanding of the big off shore wind farms is the government funds them at a set strike price of £x per MWh, subsidises anything below and keeps anything above?
- ZeroGravitas 4y agoIn the article it suggests after the cap goes up, this will be paying back £11 per customer per year, rising to £18 in January. So it helps, a bit.