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The real issue is how the environmental cost is a real trade off now. The last few decades Europe has been closing coal mines, banned fracking, encouraged renew
by rr808 4y ago
The real issue is how the environmental cost is a real trade off now. The last few decades Europe has been closing coal mines, banned fracking, encouraged renewables over more secure but damaging sources. With Russian gas this wasn't such a big deal until it is. I think its probably a good thing overall to have the new higher prices as its just reality.
One potential solution is to send troops to Libya, to sort that country out and help it export gas. I used to be horrified at thoughts like that but maybe it makes sense for everyone? Is it just something America does?
- benevol 4y agoMany of the crisis we live through are engineered, and this one is one of those. Which is why I personally will never just accept it.
- FromTheSteppe 4y agoI guess invading Libya is still a better alternative to checks note importing fuel from Iran.
- GordonS 4y agoIMO this is exactly what we should be doing. It would be a great "excuse" to re-open friendly relations with Iran, even if the Americans wouldn't like it.
- ShivShankaran 4y agoFriendly relations with Iran, lol. A country completely destroyed by US with their regime change and replaced with autocratic mullahs that are far far worse for humanity, intelligence or any civilization. Russia or Russians don't want to destroy the west unlike Iran mullahs or Saudi royals
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- grnmamba 4y ago"Sort that country out" is an euphemism for killing tens of thousands of people on both sides of the war. No.
- hcurtiss 4y agoThe cold may kill as many in your own country.
- grnmamba 4y agoRight. If you want to perform a regime change, look at its historical track record in countries like... Libya, the invasion of which was called the worst mistake of his presidency by Obama. You make it sound like the more Africans you kill, the more warmer Europe gets, which is nonsense. Last time I checked, wars only destroy. Civilized discourse with warmongers is impossible. If you want regime change in some country thousands of miles away, go do it yourself. I am not going to send myself or my kids to die for your hubris.
- zyngaro 4y ago
- rr808 4y agoNo really. There is a civil war already. Helping out a legitimate government is a good thing, if you can find one. Just ignoring it and hoping for the best isn't a great strategy either.
- tarakat 4y agoAnd now that "legitimate government" is collaborating with a foreign invasion, and owes a huge debt to the foreigners who put it in power for the explicit purpose of exploiting the country's natural resources. Will it still be seen as "legitimate"?
- rr808 4y agoMaybe I was wrong and the civil war is over, it probably doesn't need invasion but would benefit from a strong European partner to help develop the country. Libya should be a rich country. Ideally it would develop to the benefit of its citizens and Europeans who are looking for gas suppliers.
- ZeroGravitas 4y agoThis stupidity is how we got into this mess in the first place. Conservative/fossil fuel interests lied to us about renewables and insulation and pollution because they were getting a cut of the fossil fuel money. We saw this coming decades ago (scandanavia went heat pump after the oil crisis, US President told people they needed to do the same) This very article points out that we did it again the last time. Conservatives/fossil fuel interests use every high fossil fuel price event to lie to us and lock in more fossil fuel usage.