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That’s not entirely inaccurate. Capitalism requires that the capitalists (who own for a living) are in control of the state, so it has little incentive to stop

That’s not entirely inaccurate. Capitalism requires that the capitalists (who own for a living) are in control of the state, so it has little incentive to stop Google from messing with your system. The only certain way to stop them is for workers (who work for a living, the majority of us) gain control of state power through a socialist revolution. Those historically are led by communists or similar. So if you want control over your computer and ultimately life, join us in conspiring to overthrow capitalism.

feet 4y ago
The way I see it is that forms of socialism and communism are true democracies in that when everyone is part of the state we should all have equal say, an equal vote in deciding policy
christophilus 4y ago
The opposite throughout history seems to be the State becomes both the government, and those who “own for a living”. You go from a mixture of corrupt powers to one corrupt, almost absolute power. I choose neither. Is there another alternative?
- dontlaugh 4y ago
  That can happen, but it’s debatable how common it has been historically. But it’s worth keeping in mind that the capitalists also control the media, school curriculums, academia (including economics and history), etc. It’s not hard for them to portray all socialist countries as far worse than they are, in order to discourage workers from rising up. And of course it is in the capitalists interest to do so.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    As someone who has lived in this kind of a system in a country that doesn't exist anymore, I'd be (and am) a lot happier in a capitalist system, where workers can choose anytime to create their own budiness without the government owning it. I'd be even happier if governments treated small businesses the same as they treat large (mostly by making tax avoidance impossible, and making the large pay the same taxes as the small ones to), but that's practically impossible with the corruption in our governments.
    - dontlaugh 4y ago
      Workers need capital to create a business. They can’t gain capital while the majority of the surplus they create through labour is taken by capitalists. You’re happier in a richer country, as are many of us Eastern Europeans that have been forced to emigrate. We could’ve been even happier in our own countries while having collective control over the means of production, but the (foreign) capitalists made sure that wasn’t possible through propaganda, coups, sanctions and invasions.
      - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
        Many, many businesses need very little capital to start, less than a price of a car, that most of the people complaining about that, are currently driving. I haven't moved, I still live in the same city, the country is the one that doesn't exist anymore.

feet 4y ago

The way I see it is that forms of socialism and communism are true democracies in that when everyone is part of the state we should all have equal say, an equal vote in deciding policy

christophilus 4y ago

The opposite throughout history seems to be the State becomes both the government, and those who “own for a living”. You go from a mixture of corrupt powers to one corrupt, almost absolute power. I choose neither. Is there another alternative?

dontlaugh 4y ago
That can happen, but it’s debatable how common it has been historically. But it’s worth keeping in mind that the capitalists also control the media, school curriculums, academia (including economics and history), etc. It’s not hard for them to portray all socialist countries as far worse than they are, in order to discourage workers from rising up. And of course it is in the capitalists interest to do so.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  As someone who has lived in this kind of a system in a country that doesn't exist anymore, I'd be (and am) a lot happier in a capitalist system, where workers can choose anytime to create their own budiness without the government owning it. I'd be even happier if governments treated small businesses the same as they treat large (mostly by making tax avoidance impossible, and making the large pay the same taxes as the small ones to), but that's practically impossible with the corruption in our governments.
  - dontlaugh 4y ago
    Workers need capital to create a business. They can’t gain capital while the majority of the surplus they create through labour is taken by capitalists. You’re happier in a richer country, as are many of us Eastern Europeans that have been forced to emigrate. We could’ve been even happier in our own countries while having collective control over the means of production, but the (foreign) capitalists made sure that wasn’t possible through propaganda, coups, sanctions and invasions.
    - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
      Many, many businesses need very little capital to start, less than a price of a car, that most of the people complaining about that, are currently driving. I haven't moved, I still live in the same city, the country is the one that doesn't exist anymore.