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In the U.S. this is a little different. Due to the popularity of timber frame houses, air nailers have significantly streamlined many aspects of house building

In the U.S. this is a little different. Due to the popularity of timber frame houses, air nailers have significantly streamlined many aspects of house building here. However, increased sizes and increased equipmemt have eaten much of the savings from efficiency.

peteradio 4y ago
Timber frame would tend to refer to something a bit exotic, I think you mean stick framing.
- kwhitefoot 4y ago
  Timber frame is the common term in the UK for a house where the frame is made of wood. Nothing exotic about it.
  - peteradio 4y ago
    OP pretty clearly referred to USA, however.
  - frosted-flakes 4y ago
    Timber framing is a totally different animal than stick framing, in the US, which the comment was explicitly about. Stick framed buildings use 2x lumber joined together with nails, while timber framed buildings use heavy timbers joined together with bolts and other complex joinery. Japanese house construction (at least what I've seen on YouTube) can accurately be described as timber framing, because it uses timbers set in place by crane and connected with bolts and a lot of mortise-and-tenon joints.
- DubiousPusher 4y ago
  The user I was replying to is located in Europe. I used the terminology I thought they would be familiar with.
  - peteradio 4y ago
    Not to be a dick, bu that's just confusing, like referring to an American city's soccer match as a football game when there was an actual football game going on too. Of course you are correct though.
analyte123 4y ago
Framing is the easy part. Some 5-story apartments by me got framed in a month but took 8 months to be ready for move-in. I can’t think of an air nailer equivalent for wiring, drywall, insulation, sprinklers, flooring, trim, and so on. Painting has gotten easier with sprayers but that’s about it. And there is one startup with a drywall robot for commercial installations.
- DubiousPusher 4y ago
  > Framing is the easy part. That's kind of my point. > flooring, trim, and so on Hardwood floor installation is sped by flooring staplers. Though the real time saver has been carpet, linoleum and lately vinyl plank. Trim is largely installed with finish nailers. Siding and roofing nailers exist and are ubiquitous in those tasks. Drywall itself is a time saving innovation over lathe and plaster. Equipment installation though, generally hasn't gotten much faster and people want more of it to boot.
  - aidos 4y ago
    This conversation has reminded me of Larry Huan’s “efficient carpenter”. There’s a comment on one of these videos along the lines of “before carpenters had nail guns slowing them down” that made me chuckle. Watching these guys setting and driving nails in 2 hits is a pretty humbling experience. https://youtu.be/IQmt27qN6AI https://youtu.be/IQmt27qN6AI
    - HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago
      I'm old enough to remember when nail guns got cheap enough for the average carpenter to afford one. I remember my friend telling me that it wasn't much faster than a hammer, but at least he wouldn't blow out his elbow by the time he was 40. That counts for a lot.
- amluto 4y ago
  Wiring: NM-B (Romex, etc) is somewhat faster than metallic conduit. Drywall: Roto Zip or similar tools. DeWalt makes a tool that installs collated drywall screws, but I’ve never seen one in use. Insulation: older houses generally have extremely poor insulation, so a labor comparison is a bit odd. But there are several spray-applied insulation products on the market. In a moderate climate, a whole house can be insulated in a day or two. (Spray foam is very expensive, so mineral wool or fiberglass can be less expensive despite potentially higher labor costs.). In cold climates, exterior insulation may be needed, which is a whole different process. Sprinklers: PEX fire sprinklers are a thing. I’m not sure they are widely used.

peteradio 4y ago

Timber frame would tend to refer to something a bit exotic, I think you mean stick framing.

kwhitefoot 4y ago
Timber frame is the common term in the UK for a house where the frame is made of wood. Nothing exotic about it.
- peteradio 4y ago
  OP pretty clearly referred to USA, however.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  Timber framing is a totally different animal than stick framing, in the US, which the comment was explicitly about. Stick framed buildings use 2x lumber joined together with nails, while timber framed buildings use heavy timbers joined together with bolts and other complex joinery. Japanese house construction (at least what I've seen on YouTube) can accurately be described as timber framing, because it uses timbers set in place by crane and connected with bolts and a lot of mortise-and-tenon joints.
DubiousPusher 4y ago
The user I was replying to is located in Europe. I used the terminology I thought they would be familiar with.
- peteradio 4y ago
  Not to be a dick, bu that's just confusing, like referring to an American city's soccer match as a football game when there was an actual football game going on too. Of course you are correct though.

analyte123 4y ago

Framing is the easy part. Some 5-story apartments by me got framed in a month but took 8 months to be ready for move-in. I can’t think of an air nailer equivalent for wiring, drywall, insulation, sprinklers, flooring, trim, and so on. Painting has gotten easier with sprayers but that’s about it. And there is one startup with a drywall robot for commercial installations.

DubiousPusher 4y ago
> Framing is the easy part. That's kind of my point. > flooring, trim, and so on Hardwood floor installation is sped by flooring staplers. Though the real time saver has been carpet, linoleum and lately vinyl plank. Trim is largely installed with finish nailers. Siding and roofing nailers exist and are ubiquitous in those tasks. Drywall itself is a time saving innovation over lathe and plaster. Equipment installation though, generally hasn't gotten much faster and people want more of it to boot.
- aidos 4y ago
  This conversation has reminded me of Larry Huan’s “efficient carpenter”. There’s a comment on one of these videos along the lines of “before carpenters had nail guns slowing them down” that made me chuckle. Watching these guys setting and driving nails in 2 hits is a pretty humbling experience. https://youtu.be/IQmt27qN6AI https://youtu.be/IQmt27qN6AI
  - HeyLaughingBoy 4y ago
    I'm old enough to remember when nail guns got cheap enough for the average carpenter to afford one. I remember my friend telling me that it wasn't much faster than a hammer, but at least he wouldn't blow out his elbow by the time he was 40. That counts for a lot.
amluto 4y ago
Wiring: NM-B (Romex, etc) is somewhat faster than metallic conduit. Drywall: Roto Zip or similar tools. DeWalt makes a tool that installs collated drywall screws, but I’ve never seen one in use. Insulation: older houses generally have extremely poor insulation, so a labor comparison is a bit odd. But there are several spray-applied insulation products on the market. In a moderate climate, a whole house can be insulated in a day or two. (Spray foam is very expensive, so mineral wool or fiberglass can be less expensive despite potentially higher labor costs.). In cold climates, exterior insulation may be needed, which is a whole different process. Sprinklers: PEX fire sprinklers are a thing. I’m not sure they are widely used.