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Hasn't been a problem for millions of people using PhpBB. Those things are nice but Discourse UI is disorienting for me. Threads don't feel like grouping of pos

Hasn't been a problem for millions of people using PhpBB. Those things are nice but Discourse UI is disorienting for me. Threads don't feel like grouping of posts, they feel like search results. I like pagination and "staticness" of PhpBB, not a giant scrolling doomswheel that changes under you. The sticky header ensures that those pixels have private property rights and never ever move out of the way. I don't want to give up 80 vertical pixels for a Discourse logo. Honestly, I am getting old or new UI's don't jive with me. I like borders and boxes. Old clunky things had clarity.

dalmo3 4y ago
> not a giant scrolling doomswheel Discourse's scrolling timeline is the absolute best UI feature I've ever used in a forum platform. Nothing else comes even close.
- coffeeling 4y ago
  tl.net, display all.
- folkrav 4y ago
  Hmm, I'm genuinely curious: why? I tend to heavily dislike anything infinite-scrolling...
  - dalmo3 4y ago
    Have you tried it? Check it out e.g. [1]. 1) You immediately get to see the date range of the thread. 2) You can instantly navigate to any date or position in that range. 3) Thus, it's not really infinite scrolling. At all. The only similarity is lazy loading, for long threads. 4) On mobile, you also get to preview the comments before actually jumping to it. [1] https://meta.discourse.org/t/switch-from-gravatar-to-html-css-letters-for-no-avatar-users/15336 https://meta.discourse.org/t/switch-from-gravatar-to-html-cs...
    - masklinn 4y ago
      > Have you tried it? Yes, it’s awful. > Check it out e.g. Oh lord. 40 comments? That’s a single page of traditional forums. How does it work when you have 1e4? 1e5? 1e6? And yes I do mean threads of a million comments.
      - Sharparam 4y ago
        How is navigating millions of comments in a paginated thread any better? That's more than 25 000 pages.
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    - folkrav 4y ago
      It's not as awful as I would have suspected from the description, but I still don't really like it. Bar the fancy "scrollbar" timeline they give you to jump directly somewhere in the page - which does alleviate that problem I mentioned a little - it does feel exactly like infinite scrolling to me, I'm not sure where you're making the distinction between lazy loading and this. The content does physically appear later on the page, making the scrollbar jump around, which I heavily dislike. This renders the native scrollbar pretty much useless as a reference point. The mobile preview is probably a nice touch, though.
- ysavir 4y ago
  It's not a competition, though. Nothing stopping a forum from having both features. A forum I'm on has the classic-style forum navigation as well as feeds, and customizable feeds at that. Each user can read through the forum in whatever fashion they like. Isn't that sort of flexibility the goal of tech?
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Hmm... man I tried to like this stuff and used it with good faith. No idea why I don't like non-static UIs. I just want everything like a static page, almost like a physical analog piece of paper. Nothing moves. The monitor is like a loupe that I scan through on a giant canvas. I can empathize with people that like new fangled UIs, problem is with me.
fragmede 4y ago
It has been a problem, that's why there aren't several million more phpbb users. Discourse is filling a niche that hasn't been filled. Slack and Discord aren't right, but unfortunately phpbb isn't it either.
nerdponx 4y ago
I agree with all this. But I was talking about the full-text search and tags, which (at least in my opinion) is way better than the old forum engines.

dalmo3 4y ago

> not a giant scrolling doomswheel Discourse's scrolling timeline is the absolute best UI feature I've ever used in a forum platform. Nothing else comes even close.

coffeeling 4y ago
tl.net, display all.
folkrav 4y ago
Hmm, I'm genuinely curious: why? I tend to heavily dislike anything infinite-scrolling...
- dalmo3 4y ago
  Have you tried it? Check it out e.g. [1]. 1) You immediately get to see the date range of the thread. 2) You can instantly navigate to any date or position in that range. 3) Thus, it's not really infinite scrolling. At all. The only similarity is lazy loading, for long threads. 4) On mobile, you also get to preview the comments before actually jumping to it. [1] https://meta.discourse.org/t/switch-from-gravatar-to-html-css-letters-for-no-avatar-users/15336 https://meta.discourse.org/t/switch-from-gravatar-to-html-cs...
  - masklinn 4y ago
    > Have you tried it? Yes, it’s awful. > Check it out e.g. Oh lord. 40 comments? That’s a single page of traditional forums. How does it work when you have 1e4? 1e5? 1e6? And yes I do mean threads of a million comments.
    - Sharparam 4y ago
      How is navigating millions of comments in a paginated thread any better? That's more than 25 000 pages.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
  - folkrav 4y ago
    It's not as awful as I would have suspected from the description, but I still don't really like it. Bar the fancy "scrollbar" timeline they give you to jump directly somewhere in the page - which does alleviate that problem I mentioned a little - it does feel exactly like infinite scrolling to me, I'm not sure where you're making the distinction between lazy loading and this. The content does physically appear later on the page, making the scrollbar jump around, which I heavily dislike. This renders the native scrollbar pretty much useless as a reference point. The mobile preview is probably a nice touch, though.
ysavir 4y ago
It's not a competition, though. Nothing stopping a forum from having both features. A forum I'm on has the classic-style forum navigation as well as feeds, and customizable feeds at that. Each user can read through the forum in whatever fashion they like. Isn't that sort of flexibility the goal of tech?
systemvoltage 4y ago
Hmm... man I tried to like this stuff and used it with good faith. No idea why I don't like non-static UIs. I just want everything like a static page, almost like a physical analog piece of paper. Nothing moves. The monitor is like a loupe that I scan through on a giant canvas. I can empathize with people that like new fangled UIs, problem is with me.

fragmede 4y ago

It has been a problem, that's why there aren't several million more phpbb users. Discourse is filling a niche that hasn't been filled. Slack and Discord aren't right, but unfortunately phpbb isn't it either.

nerdponx 4y ago

I agree with all this. But I was talking about the full-text search and tags, which (at least in my opinion) is way better than the old forum engines.