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IRC has always been free and you can search as much as you've logged... The biggest problem with IRC has always been its lack of server-side history.

by Teckla 4y ago

manquer 4y ago
To me it is a feature not a limitation
- aendruk 4y ago
  So read it as: > The biggest problem with IRC [for Slack’s principle use case, which does not apply to me] has always been its lack of server-side history. You can understand that while still personally preferring another messaging model.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  I have no idea why you wouldn't mind that, but thats fine, you do you. I am curious though, if you don't mind sharing why? To everybody else who are hit by this, they would not consider it a feature but a pretty serious limitation, since if you didn't care about server side logging in first the place why would you mind messages disappearing after 90 days? Regardless though, IRC also doesn't persist user names which I think is a serious limitation.
blueflow 4y ago
But: It does not randomly change payment tiers or features or require a client update. In fact, IRC works stable for like, 40 years now?
megous 4y ago
Server side history and SaaS frontends is the biggest misfeature of all the modern chat services. (and corresponding lack of client side history logging) Every single time I have to join one of these new chat systems I have to figure out ways to copy the archive of messages on the platform over their often private http APIs. There's no way I can use a chat service for business communication without having an archive of communication. If you join a foreign workspace you don't even have an export option (or it's surely is well hidden). With XMPP/IRC clients, you can at least log locally and don't have to deal with bloated webapps you can't even control the basics on like disabling typing notifications, or online status tracking.

IRC has always been free and you can search as much as you've logged... The biggest problem with IRC has always been its lack of server-side history.

by Teckla 4y ago

IRC has always been free and you can search as much as you've logged... The biggest problem with IRC has always been its lack of server-side history.

manquer 4y ago

To me it is a feature not a limitation

aendruk 4y ago
So read it as: > The biggest problem with IRC [for Slack’s principle use case, which does not apply to me] has always been its lack of server-side history. You can understand that while still personally preferring another messaging model.
tomjen3 4y ago
I have no idea why you wouldn't mind that, but thats fine, you do you. I am curious though, if you don't mind sharing why? To everybody else who are hit by this, they would not consider it a feature but a pretty serious limitation, since if you didn't care about server side logging in first the place why would you mind messages disappearing after 90 days? Regardless though, IRC also doesn't persist user names which I think is a serious limitation.

blueflow 4y ago

But: It does not randomly change payment tiers or features or require a client update. In fact, IRC works stable for like, 40 years now?

megous 4y ago

Server side history and SaaS frontends is the biggest misfeature of all the modern chat services. (and corresponding lack of client side history logging) Every single time I have to join one of these new chat systems I have to figure out ways to copy the archive of messages on the platform over their often private http APIs. There's no way I can use a chat service for business communication without having an archive of communication. If you join a foreign workspace you don't even have an export option (or it's surely is well hidden). With XMPP/IRC clients, you can at least log locally and don't have to deal with bloated webapps you can't even control the basics on like disabling typing notifications, or online status tracking.