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Sounds fantastic, although given some of the examples (child-proof camera, and dishwasher repair) the fact it's not certified as being food or child safe is sli

by lambada 15y ago

Sounds fantastic, although given some of the examples (child-proof camera, and dishwasher repair) the fact it's not certified as being food or child safe is slightly disturbing. I'd play down those two examples if it was me, until it did get certification from a reputable source.

freehunter 15y ago
Yes, the use on medical tubing made me wonder what the effects would be if the liquid in that tube came into contact with the sugru then was applied intravenously. Would it break down with liquids? Would it carry it into the body? The FDA may have something to say about that use, and there _has_ to be something sanctioned by the doctors that _is_ approved for this use case.
- brazzy 15y ago
  "there _has_ to be something sanctioned by the doctors that _is_ approved for this use case." No, there hasn't, because IV catheters are a cheap commodity. You don't repair them, you replace them.
- lambada 15y ago
  Nice catch, I missed the implications on that one, but you're right - seems like a potential legal nightmare in that particular case.
  - AkThhhpppt 15y ago
    Food-safe? Not hardly: "no infection or irritation so far; in fact the site's doing pretty well, although i had to put superglue out of the toolbox in it yesterday. if all is still calm by next week, i will take it that Sugru doesn't cause major immediate damage to the interior of the human body" http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2010/07/progress-bar.html http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2010/07/progress-bar.html
    - freehunter 15y ago
      I have no idea what the context behind this is, but that man is completely insane. From reading a small amount of his site, he seems to think he's going to get a research grant for implanting magnets in his face and shoving things into his hands? He seems to think it's all safe, but every other post on his blog is about how sick he is, how his hard drive is wrecked (what do magnets do, again?), and how much pain he's in? It seems he's seeing a psychologist, which is a good thing, but it doesn't seem to be working well for him. At any rate, I'd hardly consider this to be a great source, considering there are many details on his blog about how his flesh is dying where he as implanted random objects. There are people out there working on cyborg and transhuman technologies. People with training, expertise, and something to fall back on besides the NHS.
      - lambada 15y ago
        Exactly what I was wondering.
      - AkThhhpppt 15y ago
        More information can be found here, http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/02/11/scrapheap-transhumanism/ http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/02/11/scrapheap-transhumanism/, or here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs The illness is pre-existing, and the hard drive death unconnected; the size of magnet used for implantation is too weak to affect anything stored on a hard drive. And yes, there are. Most of them are being funded by the DoD and are doing things miles beyond the reach of mere mortals; the rest are in Warwick's lab in Reading - in fact, on that note: https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/cyborg/attachments/20110120/89ccdbd5/attachment-0001.pdf https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/cyborg/attachments/201... - the research paper on implanted magnets written by two of Warwick's research students.
mindstab 15y ago
Ha well a camera probably also isn't child safe if you break a piece off and eat it so I'm not sure you've made it any worse. As for the tubing? That possibly a more interesting question, but I suspect it's being used in an underfunded medical facility or they would have replacements aplenty, and if if comes down to sugru-ed IVs delivering life saving medicine possibly tainted (but no obvious reaction) vs no medicine and probably rapidly apparent and dire consequences, well you can guess what I would (and the doctors/patient) choose. :)
- lambada 15y ago
  A camera however isn't aimed at being used by children. However part of Sugru's marketing is that it can make a camera child-safe; with the implication that it can be used by children. This potentially makes them liable, while a normal camera manufacture probably isn't. As for the medical tubing, I agree that is what I would probably choose, but again it's that through their marketing of 'safe for medical tubing' when it hasn't undergone any applicable safety tests; they have potentially made themselves liable should anything go wrong. It comes down to the fact that if they've marketed it as suitable for such-and-such then they should make sure they've undergone any safety tests that other products use in similar situations.
  - mgkimsal 15y ago
    "A camera however isn't aimed at being used by children" Many cameras are aimed at children. http://www.target.com/p/Fishe-Price-See-Yourself-Camera-Purple/-/A-13382613 http://www.target.com/p/Fishe-Price-See-Yourself-Camera-Purp... http://www.target.com/p/Vtech-Kidizoom-Camera-Pink/-/A-13357638 http://www.target.com/p/Vtech-Kidizoom-Camera-Pink/-/A-13357... etc.
    - lambada 15y ago
      Sure some are, I was generalising. Those that are aimed at children will have undergone appropriate safety testing before going to market.

by lambada 15y ago

freehunter 15y ago

Yes, the use on medical tubing made me wonder what the effects would be if the liquid in that tube came into contact with the sugru then was applied intravenously. Would it break down with liquids? Would it carry it into the body? The FDA may have something to say about that use, and there _has_ to be something sanctioned by the doctors that _is_ approved for this use case.

brazzy 15y ago
"there _has_ to be something sanctioned by the doctors that _is_ approved for this use case." No, there hasn't, because IV catheters are a cheap commodity. You don't repair them, you replace them.
lambada 15y ago
Nice catch, I missed the implications on that one, but you're right - seems like a potential legal nightmare in that particular case.
- AkThhhpppt 15y ago
  Food-safe? Not hardly: "no infection or irritation so far; in fact the site's doing pretty well, although i had to put superglue out of the toolbox in it yesterday. if all is still calm by next week, i will take it that Sugru doesn't cause major immediate damage to the interior of the human body" http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2010/07/progress-bar.html http://sapiensanonym.blogspot.com/2010/07/progress-bar.html
  - freehunter 15y ago
    I have no idea what the context behind this is, but that man is completely insane. From reading a small amount of his site, he seems to think he's going to get a research grant for implanting magnets in his face and shoving things into his hands? He seems to think it's all safe, but every other post on his blog is about how sick he is, how his hard drive is wrecked (what do magnets do, again?), and how much pain he's in? It seems he's seeing a psychologist, which is a good thing, but it doesn't seem to be working well for him. At any rate, I'd hardly consider this to be a great source, considering there are many details on his blog about how his flesh is dying where he as implanted random objects. There are people out there working on cyborg and transhuman technologies. People with training, expertise, and something to fall back on besides the NHS.
    - lambada 15y ago
      Exactly what I was wondering.
    - AkThhhpppt 15y ago
      More information can be found here, http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/02/11/scrapheap-transhumanism/ http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/02/11/scrapheap-transhumanism/, or here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Dv6dDtdcs The illness is pre-existing, and the hard drive death unconnected; the size of magnet used for implantation is too weak to affect anything stored on a hard drive. And yes, there are. Most of them are being funded by the DoD and are doing things miles beyond the reach of mere mortals; the rest are in Warwick's lab in Reading - in fact, on that note: https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/cyborg/attachments/20110120/89ccdbd5/attachment-0001.pdf https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/cyborg/attachments/201... - the research paper on implanted magnets written by two of Warwick's research students.

mindstab 15y ago

Ha well a camera probably also isn't child safe if you break a piece off and eat it so I'm not sure you've made it any worse. As for the tubing? That possibly a more interesting question, but I suspect it's being used in an underfunded medical facility or they would have replacements aplenty, and if if comes down to sugru-ed IVs delivering life saving medicine possibly tainted (but no obvious reaction) vs no medicine and probably rapidly apparent and dire consequences, well you can guess what I would (and the doctors/patient) choose. :)

lambada 15y ago
A camera however isn't aimed at being used by children. However part of Sugru's marketing is that it can make a camera child-safe; with the implication that it can be used by children. This potentially makes them liable, while a normal camera manufacture probably isn't. As for the medical tubing, I agree that is what I would probably choose, but again it's that through their marketing of 'safe for medical tubing' when it hasn't undergone any applicable safety tests; they have potentially made themselves liable should anything go wrong. It comes down to the fact that if they've marketed it as suitable for such-and-such then they should make sure they've undergone any safety tests that other products use in similar situations.
- mgkimsal 15y ago
  "A camera however isn't aimed at being used by children" Many cameras are aimed at children. http://www.target.com/p/Fishe-Price-See-Yourself-Camera-Purple/-/A-13382613 http://www.target.com/p/Fishe-Price-See-Yourself-Camera-Purp... http://www.target.com/p/Vtech-Kidizoom-Camera-Pink/-/A-13357638 http://www.target.com/p/Vtech-Kidizoom-Camera-Pink/-/A-13357... etc.
  - lambada 15y ago
    Sure some are, I was generalising. Those that are aimed at children will have undergone appropriate safety testing before going to market.