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From the article: Zuckerberg told Rogan: "The background here is that the FBI came to us - some folks on our team - and was like 'hey, just so you know, you sh

From the article: Zuckerberg told Rogan: "The background here is that the FBI came to us - some folks on our team - and was like 'hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. We thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump that's similar to that'." He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it "fit that pattern".

Consultant32452 4y ago
- emmo 4y ago
  Time wrote an article openly gloating about it: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
  - bengold14 4y ago
    Like.. did you read the article? Gloating about how all of America's labor and corporate leaders came together to save democracy? Such a conspiracy that citizens from opposing camps were so concerned about Trumps unfounded election lies that they opposed them uniformly.
    - Consultant32452 4y ago
      - tynpeddler 4y ago
        According to the article, the desired outcome of the election was a free and fair election. Not a particularly terrifying conspiracy.
      - motoboi 4y ago
        > A large group of the country's richest and most powerful people colluded to change voting rules all across the country for the purpose of achieving a specific desired outcome in an election. I thought you were talking about gerrymandering.
        Consultant32452 4y ago
        Like redrawing electoral districts, no one changes election laws because they are a good person. Everyone who redraws electoral districts and changes election laws claims it's because they are a good person.
      - parkingrift 4y ago
        Ah yes the ole regime change by way of getting more people to vote and making it easier to vote. Very sneaky tactic. Very undemocratic and nefarious. Very scary.
    - ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
      Not sure if you are sarcastic or not, but unifying labor and business interests has been the (successful) strategy of the Democratic Party for 30 years. Bill Clinton was the trailblazer of the strategy, and maligned for it from the more anti-business left.
- TrispusAttucks 4y ago
  I'm sure it's all coincidence and not a controlled operation... Because that would just be crazy.
- meroes 4y ago
  A regime change that operates by simply telling FB there's increased Russian propaganda? A boogyman that powerful I'm sure he's responsible for everything!
  - mypastself 4y ago
    When the FBI gives you specific guidelines on what to be vary of, shortly before a news story that fits all their criteria drops, you listen. I doubt it was a taken as a friendly heads-up by Facebook, given the numerous accusations, threats of additional regulations, and congressional grillings in the years prior. When the then-head of the FBI released a particular public statement in 2016, many believed it swayed the election. On the other hand, you might claim the FBI was simply telling the American public something. I disagree with labeling either “regime change”, but the influence such an institution wields can’t be taken lightly. Claiming Facebook could simply have ignored the warnings without any consequences would be disingenous.
    - lalaland1125 4y ago
      > shortly before a news story that fits all their criteria drops Why do you think it was "shortly"? Zuckerberg gave no details on the timing of the FBI's warning.
      - mypastself 4y ago
        I think “shortly before” is a fair interpretation of the following quote: > …'hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. We thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump that's similar to that'." > He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it "fit that pattern". The timing (“there’s about to be… [a] dump”) sounds like an important part of the identified pattern, or else it wouldn’t have been mentioned in the quote.
    - meroes 4y ago
      If that’s all it takes to effect a coup, it’s not a coup. That’s all they are doing is telling. A completely normal and legal part of their whole existence. Not my fault you’ve misunderstood how entities in society function and FB wants to continue to suck. It would be a societal issue, not rogue actors. What you’ve described is completely unalarming to me (even in its exaggerated form). In fact I have no idea how if this is so alarming to you, you aren’t nonstop writing books about everything as bad and worse the justice department does.
- devwastaken 4y ago
  Prove to me the laptop is real.
  - Consultant32452 4y ago
    Here's NYT telling you it's real. They put it in the 27th paragraph of a low circulation article a year after the election. https://web.archive.org/web/20220826030459/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220826030459/https://www.nytim... >People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation.
    - okaram 4y ago
      Did you see the word 'appears' there? What does authenticated means in this context? It may well mean 'the emails the times got are those emails' rather than 'the emails were truly between those parties,etc'
      - seydor 4y ago
        sounds to me like the parent is right, the NYtimes is obviously trying to hide the story and avoid using the word real although it s surely implied
  - WillPostForFood 4y ago
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-... FBI has the laptop and only they can tell you. We know it contained real emails. There is enough evidence that I don't know what it would be besides real.
    - 4y ago
- myko 4y ago
  > the US intelligence community executed a regime change operation against us all by knowingly spreading misinformation This is how trump got elected in the first place, if not for Comey putting his finger on the scale HRC wins easily. In this case the story about Hunter's laptop was complete bullshit, and it's good it didn't have a chance to affect the election the way the bullshit about HRC's emails did.
secondcoming 4y ago
Whenever someone or something is labelled as being under the influence of Russia, I zone out.
- desindol 4y ago
  Because there aren’t enough examples of it in recent history or just to be edgy?
  - pstuart 4y ago
    Because some people think that Russia is solely a liberal boogie man. Oh the irony.
  - secondcoming 4y ago
    Because if they were all true the West no longer exists. The USSR is back and reaches across all of Europe and the Atlantic.
- motoboi 4y ago
  Reality is hard and difficult to navigate. Hang in there. You can read a lot, form your own opinion and then stick to it, in a bayesian way (adjusting your view based on new information). This may help you not feeling overwhelmed by the complexity of reality. And yes, Russia interfered in American election. Yes, they try to weaken western democracies. No, they are not responsible for everything wrong in America today.

Consultant32452 4y ago

emmo 4y ago
Time wrote an article openly gloating about it: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
- bengold14 4y ago
  Like.. did you read the article? Gloating about how all of America's labor and corporate leaders came together to save democracy? Such a conspiracy that citizens from opposing camps were so concerned about Trumps unfounded election lies that they opposed them uniformly.
  - Consultant32452 4y ago
    - tynpeddler 4y ago
      According to the article, the desired outcome of the election was a free and fair election. Not a particularly terrifying conspiracy.
    - motoboi 4y ago
      > A large group of the country's richest and most powerful people colluded to change voting rules all across the country for the purpose of achieving a specific desired outcome in an election. I thought you were talking about gerrymandering.
      - Consultant32452 4y ago
        Like redrawing electoral districts, no one changes election laws because they are a good person. Everyone who redraws electoral districts and changes election laws claims it's because they are a good person.
    - parkingrift 4y ago
      Ah yes the ole regime change by way of getting more people to vote and making it easier to vote. Very sneaky tactic. Very undemocratic and nefarious. Very scary.
  - ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
    Not sure if you are sarcastic or not, but unifying labor and business interests has been the (successful) strategy of the Democratic Party for 30 years. Bill Clinton was the trailblazer of the strategy, and maligned for it from the more anti-business left.
TrispusAttucks 4y ago
I'm sure it's all coincidence and not a controlled operation... Because that would just be crazy.
meroes 4y ago
A regime change that operates by simply telling FB there's increased Russian propaganda? A boogyman that powerful I'm sure he's responsible for everything!
- mypastself 4y ago
  When the FBI gives you specific guidelines on what to be vary of, shortly before a news story that fits all their criteria drops, you listen. I doubt it was a taken as a friendly heads-up by Facebook, given the numerous accusations, threats of additional regulations, and congressional grillings in the years prior. When the then-head of the FBI released a particular public statement in 2016, many believed it swayed the election. On the other hand, you might claim the FBI was simply telling the American public something. I disagree with labeling either “regime change”, but the influence such an institution wields can’t be taken lightly. Claiming Facebook could simply have ignored the warnings without any consequences would be disingenous.
  - lalaland1125 4y ago
    > shortly before a news story that fits all their criteria drops Why do you think it was "shortly"? Zuckerberg gave no details on the timing of the FBI's warning.
    - mypastself 4y ago
      I think “shortly before” is a fair interpretation of the following quote: > …'hey, just so you know, you should be on high alert. We thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election, we have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump that's similar to that'." > He said the FBI did not warn Facebook about the Biden story in particular - only that Facebook thought it "fit that pattern". The timing (“there’s about to be… [a] dump”) sounds like an important part of the identified pattern, or else it wouldn’t have been mentioned in the quote.
  - meroes 4y ago
    If that’s all it takes to effect a coup, it’s not a coup. That’s all they are doing is telling. A completely normal and legal part of their whole existence. Not my fault you’ve misunderstood how entities in society function and FB wants to continue to suck. It would be a societal issue, not rogue actors. What you’ve described is completely unalarming to me (even in its exaggerated form). In fact I have no idea how if this is so alarming to you, you aren’t nonstop writing books about everything as bad and worse the justice department does.
devwastaken 4y ago
Prove to me the laptop is real.
- Consultant32452 4y ago
  Here's NYT telling you it's real. They put it in the 27th paragraph of a low circulation article a year after the election. https://web.archive.org/web/20220826030459/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220826030459/https://www.nytim... >People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation.
  - okaram 4y ago
    Did you see the word 'appears' there? What does authenticated means in this context? It may well mean 'the emails the times got are those emails' rather than 'the emails were truly between those parties,etc'
    - seydor 4y ago
      sounds to me like the parent is right, the NYtimes is obviously trying to hide the story and avoid using the word real although it s surely implied
- WillPostForFood 4y ago
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-... FBI has the laptop and only they can tell you. We know it contained real emails. There is enough evidence that I don't know what it would be besides real.
  - 4y ago
myko 4y ago
> the US intelligence community executed a regime change operation against us all by knowingly spreading misinformation This is how trump got elected in the first place, if not for Comey putting his finger on the scale HRC wins easily. In this case the story about Hunter's laptop was complete bullshit, and it's good it didn't have a chance to affect the election the way the bullshit about HRC's emails did.

secondcoming 4y ago

Whenever someone or something is labelled as being under the influence of Russia, I zone out.

desindol 4y ago
Because there aren’t enough examples of it in recent history or just to be edgy?
- pstuart 4y ago
  Because some people think that Russia is solely a liberal boogie man. Oh the irony.
- secondcoming 4y ago
  Because if they were all true the West no longer exists. The USSR is back and reaches across all of Europe and the Atlantic.
motoboi 4y ago
Reality is hard and difficult to navigate. Hang in there. You can read a lot, form your own opinion and then stick to it, in a bayesian way (adjusting your view based on new information). This may help you not feeling overwhelmed by the complexity of reality. And yes, Russia interfered in American election. Yes, they try to weaken western democracies. No, they are not responsible for everything wrong in America today.