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psychedelics really help tear down the justifications we put up for the BS we tolerate in our daily lives Thing is you can do that with an extended weekend of

by kirse 4y ago

psychedelics really help tear down the justifications we put up for the BS we tolerate in our daily lives Thing is you can do that with an extended weekend of fasting/meditation and solitude in the woods. Bring a notepad and pencil if you really want to lock in the new perspective. Bonus is that fasting is also widely known to be healthy. Plus how do you really know the causative agent of change was the drugs, what if there was already the underlying emotional desire to do something and having the experience was more about creating the justification to act? Surely one of your psychedelic insights had to be how little agency we really have. We easily back-fill reasoning and stories to happenings that were bound to happen anyway. Our brains always want a story for cause and effect, but so much of what happens occurs outside of our control or awareness. It's like riding on a rollercoaster and proudly claiming "yea I decided to make it do a loop"

virgildotcodes 4y ago
>what if there was already the underlying emotional desire to do something and having the experience was more about creating the justification to act? That's definitely part of it, and I think kind of what OP was alluding to in that the experience allows you to dissolve many of the cognitive habits you've built up over your life, allowing you to experience an extremely honest perception of your own mind. I'm not sure if you've tried it yourself, but I have yet to find any other way to achieve that level of clarity. I understand in theory that a lot of people find their way there by meditation, but I don't have the discipline or attention span to get there. Psychedelics are a way of making that state of being accessible to those who may lack the ability or the motivation to get there through other means. I'll also say that of those I know who partake in both, psychedelics still offer incredibly powerful and profound experiences even to those who practice meditation seriously for years or decades.
- kirse 4y ago
  experience an extremely honest perception of your own mind. Is it though? Does walking into the fun-house mirror room really produce an accurate reflection of who you are? An altered perspective accompanied by an intense emotional experience doesn't necessarily indicate any real truth was uncovered. You can have some quite profound experiences on 3-5 day water/electrolyte fasts as well. When the body is stripped of the energy necessary to maintain psychological defense mechanisms and cognitive habits, they peel away quite well there too. Highly recommended for the time-sensitive and impatient spiritual journeyman.
  - orthecreedence 4y ago
    It seems you're badmouthing psychadelics, while advocating for achieving the same effects without the use of drugs. Why does it matter if someone has a similar experience with a different method? Also, not everyone can just hop into the woods, alone, for days on end without food. Although that sounds like fun to me, I get horrible migraines if I don't eat regularly. What then? Is vomiting up my last bit of bile huddled in excruciating pain in the middle of the woods going to be some profound experience? Possibly, but psychadelics are an easier method for someone like me (and can be just as natural, in the case of mushrooms/ayahuasca/mescaline/etc).

by kirse 4y ago

virgildotcodes 4y ago

>what if there was already the underlying emotional desire to do something and having the experience was more about creating the justification to act? That's definitely part of it, and I think kind of what OP was alluding to in that the experience allows you to dissolve many of the cognitive habits you've built up over your life, allowing you to experience an extremely honest perception of your own mind. I'm not sure if you've tried it yourself, but I have yet to find any other way to achieve that level of clarity. I understand in theory that a lot of people find their way there by meditation, but I don't have the discipline or attention span to get there. Psychedelics are a way of making that state of being accessible to those who may lack the ability or the motivation to get there through other means. I'll also say that of those I know who partake in both, psychedelics still offer incredibly powerful and profound experiences even to those who practice meditation seriously for years or decades.

kirse 4y ago
experience an extremely honest perception of your own mind. Is it though? Does walking into the fun-house mirror room really produce an accurate reflection of who you are? An altered perspective accompanied by an intense emotional experience doesn't necessarily indicate any real truth was uncovered. You can have some quite profound experiences on 3-5 day water/electrolyte fasts as well. When the body is stripped of the energy necessary to maintain psychological defense mechanisms and cognitive habits, they peel away quite well there too. Highly recommended for the time-sensitive and impatient spiritual journeyman.
- orthecreedence 4y ago
  It seems you're badmouthing psychadelics, while advocating for achieving the same effects without the use of drugs. Why does it matter if someone has a similar experience with a different method? Also, not everyone can just hop into the woods, alone, for days on end without food. Although that sounds like fun to me, I get horrible migraines if I don't eat regularly. What then? Is vomiting up my last bit of bile huddled in excruciating pain in the middle of the woods going to be some profound experience? Possibly, but psychadelics are an easier method for someone like me (and can be just as natural, in the case of mushrooms/ayahuasca/mescaline/etc).