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Why hit Delta with crippling fines? Has there been loss of life? Or anything close to it? Sounds like the pilots returned to NYC out of caution. Modern aviatio

Why hit Delta with crippling fines? Has there been loss of life? Or anything close to it? Sounds like the pilots returned to NYC out of caution. Modern aviation safety at work.

toss1 4y ago
>>Has there been loss of life? Not YET >>Or anything close to it? Depends on what the problems were. Smart organizations don't track accidents and deaths (e.g., factories with the big "N Days Since a Time Lost Accident" sign out front), they track anythign resembling a close call, and I've even seen signs tracking that. this is no different than tracking storage or memory failures so that you can pull the unit BEFORE it fails, because an increase in rate of minor incidents PREDICTS the failure. In the case of civil aviation, when it gets to the point of loss of life or anything close to it, you are likely talking hundreds of lives. Smart people who are not sociopaths care about preventing that sort of failure. Evidently the execs at Delta do not, just as the execs at Boeing did not, and had to kill hundreds of people in two crashes to pull the 737-max off the flightlines. Yes, this was a smart move by Ghana, and yes we do need personal liability for setting up a system that devalues people's lives in pursuit of profit (and no, that does not mean that every remote possibility of harm could send someone to jail, but systemic negligence of safety should have real consequences not just corporate fines. At the very least, if corporations are supposed to be like people, we need the corporate death penalty - significant crimes and the corp goes to the chopping block, assets individually auctioned off).
- notahacker 4y ago
  Do you honestly think Delta isn't tracking its aircraft performance? Perhaps in even more detail than a factory with a big sign! The reason the aircraft returned to base (at great expense to Delta) on multiple occasions is because they are extremely cautious.
- inferiorhuman 4y ago
  Not YET Do you even know what the problems were or how the dispatch reliability of N195DN compares to Delta's other 767-300s? There are any number of non-safety-related reasons a plane might return to the gate, especially on a long haul flight e.g. problems with the toilets. Take a deep breath. Nothing with N195DN was a close call.
- kortilla 4y ago
  Take a step back, and reread this with the knowledge that Delta would not have let the plane take off if they thought this was actually fixed. A redirect and return like these costs them an absolute fortune in fuel, employee pay, and hotels/rebooks for all of the passengers. It doesn’t even make sense for a sociopathic exec to do what you’re saying, because it’s not a path to making more money.

Why hit Delta with crippling fines? Has there been loss of life? Or anything close to it? Sounds like the pilots returned to NYC out of caution. Modern aviation safety at work.

toss1 4y ago

>>Has there been loss of life? Not YET >>Or anything close to it? Depends on what the problems were. Smart organizations don't track accidents and deaths (e.g., factories with the big "N Days Since a Time Lost Accident" sign out front), they track anythign resembling a close call, and I've even seen signs tracking that. this is no different than tracking storage or memory failures so that you can pull the unit BEFORE it fails, because an increase in rate of minor incidents PREDICTS the failure. In the case of civil aviation, when it gets to the point of loss of life or anything close to it, you are likely talking hundreds of lives. Smart people who are not sociopaths care about preventing that sort of failure. Evidently the execs at Delta do not, just as the execs at Boeing did not, and had to kill hundreds of people in two crashes to pull the 737-max off the flightlines. Yes, this was a smart move by Ghana, and yes we do need personal liability for setting up a system that devalues people's lives in pursuit of profit (and no, that does not mean that every remote possibility of harm could send someone to jail, but systemic negligence of safety should have real consequences not just corporate fines. At the very least, if corporations are supposed to be like people, we need the corporate death penalty - significant crimes and the corp goes to the chopping block, assets individually auctioned off).

notahacker 4y ago
Do you honestly think Delta isn't tracking its aircraft performance? Perhaps in even more detail than a factory with a big sign! The reason the aircraft returned to base (at great expense to Delta) on multiple occasions is because they are extremely cautious.
inferiorhuman 4y ago
Not YET Do you even know what the problems were or how the dispatch reliability of N195DN compares to Delta's other 767-300s? There are any number of non-safety-related reasons a plane might return to the gate, especially on a long haul flight e.g. problems with the toilets. Take a deep breath. Nothing with N195DN was a close call.
kortilla 4y ago
Take a step back, and reread this with the knowledge that Delta would not have let the plane take off if they thought this was actually fixed. A redirect and return like these costs them an absolute fortune in fuel, employee pay, and hotels/rebooks for all of the passengers. It doesn’t even make sense for a sociopathic exec to do what you’re saying, because it’s not a path to making more money.