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I found Toki Pona to be way too simple and there's too much ambiguity. It's a neat idea though. I like Esperanto better.

koolala 4y ago
Do you find Esperanto is closer to a full language? Does it avoid the burden of learning a full language? To me I am excited by the potential to learn a whole language in a day. Like learning the entire syntax of C vs. C++. To at least know the words well enough to enter into a language world and begin writing and parsing programs with the full syntax. Maybe we are not at the '1 day' learning stage yet but the potential seems there. The big question is really if its possible to 'think' in the language. Have you been able to get into the stage where its like thinking? But then your thought feels limited? I feel like people have proven its possible to think in it though I'm not there yet. I am still at the puzzle stage. Thinking it in unlocks abilities like how AI are now are able to think in terms of human language.
- flipcoder 4y ago
  I definitely consider Esperanto to be a full language. I like how the vocabulary is based on a prefix/suffix system that reduces the amount of words you have to know, and the grammar is very simple and consistent. > The big question is really if its possible to 'think' in the language. Have you been able to get into the stage where its like thinking? I was approaching that stage when I was learning it, but I'm a bit rusty now since I haven't used it in a while. There are definitely people at that level though. Check out Esperanto youtubers like Evildea. > But then your thought feels limited? Usually if you can't think of a word, you can insert the English word in your thinking and make a mental note to look up the vocabulary later. It's a really fun language. It's a shame there aren't more speakers.
- flipcoder 4y ago
  After I commented I realized you're referring to Toki Pona in the second part of your comment. Yeah you're definitely going to be limited with your thinking. That's not really a problem with Esperanto. Check out this talk by Tim Owen where he goes over the basics of Esperanto and why it's so easy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCiFMD8RNbg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCiFMD8RNbg Here's a cheat sheet you might find interesting: https://i.imgur.com/FKasIpP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/FKasIpP.jpg
stew-j 4y ago
I like Couturat et al.'s Ido even better. I can't "think" in it yet, but it is very regular and easy to learn. The main (irrational, personal) issue I have with it is the monotony of endings, -o is always a singular noun, etc. Plus it is Eurocentric. It does have pan-gender words like lu, saving having to say he/she/it. Tradeoffs.

koolala 4y ago

Do you find Esperanto is closer to a full language? Does it avoid the burden of learning a full language? To me I am excited by the potential to learn a whole language in a day. Like learning the entire syntax of C vs. C++. To at least know the words well enough to enter into a language world and begin writing and parsing programs with the full syntax. Maybe we are not at the '1 day' learning stage yet but the potential seems there. The big question is really if its possible to 'think' in the language. Have you been able to get into the stage where its like thinking? But then your thought feels limited? I feel like people have proven its possible to think in it though I'm not there yet. I am still at the puzzle stage. Thinking it in unlocks abilities like how AI are now are able to think in terms of human language.

flipcoder 4y ago
I definitely consider Esperanto to be a full language. I like how the vocabulary is based on a prefix/suffix system that reduces the amount of words you have to know, and the grammar is very simple and consistent. > The big question is really if its possible to 'think' in the language. Have you been able to get into the stage where its like thinking? I was approaching that stage when I was learning it, but I'm a bit rusty now since I haven't used it in a while. There are definitely people at that level though. Check out Esperanto youtubers like Evildea. > But then your thought feels limited? Usually if you can't think of a word, you can insert the English word in your thinking and make a mental note to look up the vocabulary later. It's a really fun language. It's a shame there aren't more speakers.
flipcoder 4y ago
After I commented I realized you're referring to Toki Pona in the second part of your comment. Yeah you're definitely going to be limited with your thinking. That's not really a problem with Esperanto. Check out this talk by Tim Owen where he goes over the basics of Esperanto and why it's so easy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCiFMD8RNbg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCiFMD8RNbg Here's a cheat sheet you might find interesting: https://i.imgur.com/FKasIpP.jpg https://i.imgur.com/FKasIpP.jpg

stew-j 4y ago

I like Couturat et al.'s Ido even better. I can't "think" in it yet, but it is very regular and easy to learn. The main (irrational, personal) issue I have with it is the monotony of endings, -o is always a singular noun, etc. Plus it is Eurocentric. It does have pan-gender words like lu, saving having to say he/she/it. Tradeoffs.