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To me what is missing from this debate is the long time effects of letting this increasingly loose wheel of education for profit gain further momentum. If you

To me what is missing from this debate is the long time effects of letting this increasingly loose wheel of education for profit gain further momentum. If you let your educational institutions squeeze every last penny of your future well-educated doesn't that also limit your countries ability to innovate? If my paycheck would go entirely towards rent and debt payments, I for sure would look for a high paying corporate job instead of startup or freelance work.

tiahura 4y ago
To me what is missing from this debate is the long time effects of letting this increasingly loose wheel of education for profit gain further momentum. What are you talking about? For profit education is nearly dead - ITT, etc., Do you mean private schools?
- jawns 4y ago
  There's a distinction to be made between how the schools are organized as business entities and how they actually bring in and spend money. You're correct that schools organized as for-profit business entities have a bad name and are dying back. But even state schools and universities that are nonprofits on paper can conduct themselves in ways that are profit-driven in practice. It's kind of like the Hollywood accounting practices where a movie that has brought in an enormous box-office haul is treated as only breaking even on paper. As long as the numbers line up right, you can be a "nonprofit" where salary and perks for top figures are exorbitant.
- deepdriver 4y ago
  The massive run-up in tuition prices has not been confined to just private or for-profit schools. Public and private universities alike have gorged themselves on federally-guaranteed student loans. Whether the loan gets repaid or not doesn't matter to the school. They get all the money up front; the feds are the ones who must later try to collect. Schools have used this money to drastically increase the scope of their bureaucracies and facilities, often while paying teaching staff less: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-re... (https://archive.ph/Ju3ro https://archive.ph/Ju3ro)
the_solenoid 4y ago
You seem to understand the point exactly... as horrible as it is. (nudging people into certain jobs because they have no choice)

tiahura 4y ago

To me what is missing from this debate is the long time effects of letting this increasingly loose wheel of education for profit gain further momentum. What are you talking about? For profit education is nearly dead - ITT, etc., Do you mean private schools?

jawns 4y ago
There's a distinction to be made between how the schools are organized as business entities and how they actually bring in and spend money. You're correct that schools organized as for-profit business entities have a bad name and are dying back. But even state schools and universities that are nonprofits on paper can conduct themselves in ways that are profit-driven in practice. It's kind of like the Hollywood accounting practices where a movie that has brought in an enormous box-office haul is treated as only breaking even on paper. As long as the numbers line up right, you can be a "nonprofit" where salary and perks for top figures are exorbitant.
deepdriver 4y ago
The massive run-up in tuition prices has not been confined to just private or for-profit schools. Public and private universities alike have gorged themselves on federally-guaranteed student loans. Whether the loan gets repaid or not doesn't matter to the school. They get all the money up front; the feds are the ones who must later try to collect. Schools have used this money to drastically increase the scope of their bureaucracies and facilities, often while paying teaching staff less: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-reason-college-tuition-costs-so-much.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/opinion/sunday/the-real-re... (https://archive.ph/Ju3ro https://archive.ph/Ju3ro)

the_solenoid 4y ago

You seem to understand the point exactly... as horrible as it is. (nudging people into certain jobs because they have no choice)