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How would you board your aircraft without a valid travel document? The air carriers won't let you.

dataflow 4y ago
> How would you board your aircraft without a valid travel document? You lose your passport after boarding, or bring a certificate of naturalization, birth certificate, etc. that proves your citizenship. Or in the parent's case, try with the "Consular Report of Birth Abroad". I have no idea if the US accepts that, but it seems to me it should, since it proves citizenship which implies that person can't be denied entry.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > You lose your passport after boarding The problem being discussed is the price of US passports, not trying to figure out how to enter the US without a passport that you've paid for.
  - dataflow 4y ago
    Yes, hence the rest of that comment. Those 6 words were just giving yet another example for the general case, which they would need to have a process for handling.
notch656a 4y ago
There are several modes of transport besides commercial aircraft that reach the border of the US. Wouldn't surprise me if "look at me I'm white and speak with American south accent" might have gotten a charismatic enough individual on a plane to the US at some point after not having a passport for whatever reason, on some unscrupulous airline. Edit: per below, unscrupulous was a poor word choice. I should have used a whatever word means "imposing low level of scrutiny."
- dataflow 4y ago
  > unscrupulous airline. I'm unsure about this, but from what I've gathered, airlines can bring people to the border without verifying travel documents. The only caveat is they have to be willing to transport that person back if they're not admitted. And IIRC this can happen even if that person has a visa etc., since not every valid entry document guarantees admission, so it's not like carriers would know the admission result prior to the passenger's boarding anyway. Assuming the above is correct, what this implies to me is that—if an airline was willing to (say) take a deposit or something from a passenger to cover their cost of return, or if they were willing to (for whatever reason) foot the bill themselves—then they could totally let a passenger without valid documentation on board. The only thing that stands in their way of doing this would be their internal corporate policies, really. Unless there's an actual law implying otherwise that I'm unaware of, which is possible.
CalRobert 4y ago
You could board with your other passport (this is for a dual citizen) - though in that case you'd need to have an ESTA, which is annoying.

> How would you board your aircraft without a valid travel document? You lose your passport after boarding, or bring a certificate of naturalization, birth certificate, etc. that proves your citizenship. Or in the parent's case, try with the "Consular Report of Birth Abroad". I have no idea if the US accepts that, but it seems to me it should, since it proves citizenship which implies that person can't be denied entry.

pessimizer 4y ago
> You lose your passport after boarding The problem being discussed is the price of US passports, not trying to figure out how to enter the US without a passport that you've paid for.
- dataflow 4y ago
  Yes, hence the rest of that comment. Those 6 words were just giving yet another example for the general case, which they would need to have a process for handling.

notch656a 4y ago

There are several modes of transport besides commercial aircraft that reach the border of the US. Wouldn't surprise me if "look at me I'm white and speak with American south accent" might have gotten a charismatic enough individual on a plane to the US at some point after not having a passport for whatever reason, on some unscrupulous airline. Edit: per below, unscrupulous was a poor word choice. I should have used a whatever word means "imposing low level of scrutiny."

dataflow 4y ago
> unscrupulous airline. I'm unsure about this, but from what I've gathered, airlines can bring people to the border without verifying travel documents. The only caveat is they have to be willing to transport that person back if they're not admitted. And IIRC this can happen even if that person has a visa etc., since not every valid entry document guarantees admission, so it's not like carriers would know the admission result prior to the passenger's boarding anyway. Assuming the above is correct, what this implies to me is that—if an airline was willing to (say) take a deposit or something from a passenger to cover their cost of return, or if they were willing to (for whatever reason) foot the bill themselves—then they could totally let a passenger without valid documentation on board. The only thing that stands in their way of doing this would be their internal corporate policies, really. Unless there's an actual law implying otherwise that I'm unaware of, which is possible.

CalRobert 4y ago

You could board with your other passport (this is for a dual citizen) - though in that case you'd need to have an ESTA, which is annoying.