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> The president, speaking before ministers at the Élysée, said the country was at a “tipping point” and faced a difficult winter and a new era of instability ca
by logicalmonster 4y ago
> The president, speaking before ministers at the Élysée, said the country was at a “tipping point” and faced a difficult winter and a new era of instability caused by climate change and Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
The whole Russia situation is eventually going to get resolved, but blaming problems on climate change is going to be the new go-to political excuse for any bad human political decisions, lack of foresight, bad management, etc.
It's a great political tactic: there's no end conceivable to the "climate emergency" and you it's hard for most establishment political hacks to ever disagree with that messaging without risking being labelled as pro-climate-change.
- yesUgotit 4y ago
- iLoveOncall 4y agoIf it leads to more actions taken to tackle climate change, I’ll take it.
- blockwriter 4y agoBut the people that are actively misleading you are the same ones that are supposed to implement the solutions. How are we supposed to trust these people will effectuate incredibly difficult tradeoffs if they fail basic litmus tests of accountability?
- logicalmonster 4y agoIn what circumstances has "the end justifies the means" as a political justification ever worked out for the average person?
- iLoveOncall 4y agoThe means is just “blaming their incompetence on climate change”. It’s a small price to pay, and one we are already paying anyway, except they use another excuse at the moment.
- logicalmonster 4y agoYou're only thinking half-a-step ahead. I don't care one way or the other about parasitical politicians trying to salvage fragile careers and egos. I care about what comes next. What happens once you agree to hand them that power to fight climate change? If you accept the principle that the ends justify the means, there's no horror that can't conceivably be justified to fight climate change. This is the exact same mentality that leads to forms of human rights violations like an eternal war on drugs, eternal war on terror, violating peoples' privacy to "protect the children", and many abuses throughout history.
- mythrwy 4y agoI personally don't see how humans would not be affecting the climate. But, I highly doubt the accuracy of many models and predictions at this point. The best I can say is "I don't really know the sum outcome of our activities and doubt the experts really do either". Just my opinion, please don't go on ideological holy war, that isn't the point. Here is what I'm pretty confident about. A whole lot of people around the world are transitioning to modern energy intensive economies at a time when we have already picked a lot of the low hanging fruit in regards to fossil fuels, minerals and water from aquifers. So what happens? Do we really think 1998 USA levels of living is globally sustainable for the population? How are we going to handle this challenge? Looked at through this lens, a lot of activities of governments (including proclamations of climate change and various military/intelligence campaigns) start to make a lot more sense.
- yongjik 4y ago> It's a great political tactic: there's no end conceivable to the "climate emergency" and you it's hard for most establishment political hacks to ever disagree with that messaging without risking being labelled as pro-climate-change. Ah, but what you're doing here is also another great political tactic: if a crisis is so deep and far-reaching that there's no foreseeable end in the near future, you can oppose any solution because it was always like this, it will be always like this, and people should simply accept it as is.
- logicalmonster 4y ago> you can oppose any solution because it was always like this, it will be always like this, and people should simply accept it as is. I have eyes to see the world and choose to use them. The same celebrities that tell us that climate change is going to ruin us all keep buying ocean-side estates and using their private jets to travel to international environmental conferences. Interesting, eh? When it comes to actions that harm peoples' liberty and livelihoods, the standard we should go by should be purely unassailable. Human beings (not all human beings, mind you, just the unwashed poors) are being told that they must sacrifice their living standards and their liberty to resolve very nebulous climate change predictions that have been continuously been proven wrong. This is too much to ask. I refuse the bugs, the pod, and the science juice. Real environmental issues like the health of the oceans (an actual, real issue) are totally ignored. I think many high-IQ people here have been totally misled about what needs to be focused on and it's really sad.
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- ta988 4y agoThey can afford to loose those homes plus there is a thing about owning something that nobody else will be able to own after.