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EA managing to shift its annual sports titles to a single game with updates on a subscription model would at least be more honest than asking people to buy a wh

EA managing to shift its annual sports titles to a single game with updates on a subscription model would at least be more honest than asking people to buy a whole new game each year at least.

padobson 4y ago
John Carmack disagrees with your rationale: "As long as people are buying it, it means they’re enjoying it" [0] [0]https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/07/id-softwares-john-carmack-sticks-up-for-call-of-duty/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/07/id-softwares-john-car...
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  That's nice for John Carmack
- alpaca128 4y ago
  John Carmack confused sales numbers with positive experiences. It doesn't take a lot of knowledge about recent game launches to see how that makes no sense. And either way it doesn't justify the business practice itself - you could apply the exact same quote to PS5 scalpers.
- nisegami 4y ago
  You could use the same argument to advocate for recreational drugs. Both they and lootboxes hijack the reward loop in our brains. For actual, buy-it-once games, I see his point, but it doesn't apply to the slot machines disguised as games nowadays.
  - bobkazamakis 4y ago
    >You could use the same argument to advocate for recreational drugs ...and it would still be accurate.
- Salgat 4y ago
  No ones arguing that they aren't enjoying the game.
- keerthiko 4y ago
  carmack is a brilliant engineer, but he's not really known for empathy or even being a good game designer. supply and demand is not really the best indicator of a positive vs predatory experience
impulser_ 4y ago
This is why I think Disney should buy EA. ESPN is feeling a ton of competition from other streaming/entertainment companies bidding for sports streaming rights. Making it unappealing to buy an ESPN+ subscription. If they buy EA and bundle their sports games with ESPN+ and ESPN branding. They might have more strength in the bidding wars. It would make subbing to ESPN+ worth it because they now would include the games. EA also works on Star Wars games. They get popular games like Sims and Apex Legends. They would also get access to the Frostbite engine, and game engines rendering on a large LED screen seem to the better than green screens in visual effects.
DerekL 4y ago
But don't most sports games do this (sell a full-priced game every year instead of providing roster updates as DLC)? It's not just EA.

EA managing to shift its annual sports titles to a single game with updates on a subscription model would at least be more honest than asking people to buy a whole new game each year at least.

padobson 4y ago

John Carmack disagrees with your rationale: "As long as people are buying it, it means they’re enjoying it" [0] [0]https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/07/id-softwares-john-carmack-sticks-up-for-call-of-duty/ https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/07/id-softwares-john-car...

spywaregorilla 4y ago
That's nice for John Carmack
alpaca128 4y ago
John Carmack confused sales numbers with positive experiences. It doesn't take a lot of knowledge about recent game launches to see how that makes no sense. And either way it doesn't justify the business practice itself - you could apply the exact same quote to PS5 scalpers.
nisegami 4y ago
You could use the same argument to advocate for recreational drugs. Both they and lootboxes hijack the reward loop in our brains. For actual, buy-it-once games, I see his point, but it doesn't apply to the slot machines disguised as games nowadays.
- bobkazamakis 4y ago
  >You could use the same argument to advocate for recreational drugs ...and it would still be accurate.
Salgat 4y ago
No ones arguing that they aren't enjoying the game.
keerthiko 4y ago
carmack is a brilliant engineer, but he's not really known for empathy or even being a good game designer. supply and demand is not really the best indicator of a positive vs predatory experience

impulser_ 4y ago

This is why I think Disney should buy EA. ESPN is feeling a ton of competition from other streaming/entertainment companies bidding for sports streaming rights. Making it unappealing to buy an ESPN+ subscription. If they buy EA and bundle their sports games with ESPN+ and ESPN branding. They might have more strength in the bidding wars. It would make subbing to ESPN+ worth it because they now would include the games. EA also works on Star Wars games. They get popular games like Sims and Apex Legends. They would also get access to the Frostbite engine, and game engines rendering on a large LED screen seem to the better than green screens in visual effects.

DerekL 4y ago

But don't most sports games do this (sell a full-priced game every year instead of providing roster updates as DLC)? It's not just EA.