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What do you think they'll do with it? What do museums and universities do with objects they discover are forgeries? Do they throw them away? Do they keep them?
by Victerius 4y ago
What do you think they'll do with it? What do museums and universities do with objects they discover are forgeries? Do they throw them away? Do they keep them? Do they move them in storage?
There are Picassos younger than this forgery. Maybe old and high quality forgeries are of some historical value after all? Indeed, what if the only remaining copy/copies of an old object or painting was a forgery/were all forgeries?
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- leoc 4y agoIt seems that something related to this actually came up recently. Someone with institutional cred claimed that a famous alleged Biblical manuscript from the 19th century, long accepted to be fake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapira_Scroll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapira_Scroll , was actually genuine all along, and it's a lot harder to settle the question definitively because no-one can find the thing anymore: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/arts/bible-deuteronomy-discovery.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/10/arts/bible-deuteronomy-di... .
- bombcar 4y agoThis is an important consideration - we do not have perfect knowledge of the last century let alone the last millennia. Imagine a painting being determined to be an elaborate forgery; it is NOT a genuine Da Vinci, it was faked! Later research determines that the faker was Michelangelo! But we already destroyed it ... not realizing it had just been mislabeled ages ago.
- ffhhj 4y agoImagine a Jesus Mono painted on top of an actually valuable painting that can only be seen with x-rays.
- Natsu 4y agoReading that, it's a scroll with unknown provenance (many wildly inconsistent stories were told about where it was found) from a guy who promulgated other frauds and all we have left is apparently a drawing of it. I don't think you can meaningfully authenticate a scroll from just that, especially not one with a dubious history like this.
- carabiner 4y agoFTA: Per the Times, the University of Michigan is considering taking a similar approach to the fake Galileo. Rather than tuck it away, the university may make it the centerpiece of a future exhibition on the art of forgery.
- mhb 4y agoIf it's like this forged Chagall which you have sent to this expert panel in France for authentication, the panel will unilaterally destroy it for you: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/06/arts/design/chagall-sothebys-expert-panel.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/06/arts/design/chagall-sothe...
- jollyllama 4y agoConveniently, there's no second opinions after that.
- jollyllama 4y agoMaybe they should let the public get up close and personal. If it's a worthless forgery, where's the harm? Failing that, there's always the museum gift shop.
- xoxxala 4y agoThe 1973 Orson Welles docudrama "F for Fake" is worth watching if you're interested in art forgery. It posits that there is value in the art of the forgery itself, if the forgery is high enough quality and fools enough people.