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The ads angle, in my opinion, is the least important piece of this news. What shocks me really is how Germany, one of the (if not THE) most advanced societies

The ads angle, in my opinion, is the least important piece of this news. What shocks me really is how Germany, one of the (if not THE) most advanced societies on Earth, came to a point where it can not produce enough energy to sustain it's needs. Western civilization has a masochistic saviour complex, and will freeze to death in winter in the name of "saving the world". I, living in a 3rd world country, can only look and fear whats coming in the future. If the germanies of the world decide to voluntarily fall, who will become the superpowers in the next decades/centuries? It's a bizarre stupidity contest.

dontlaugh 4y ago
Germany (and not only) is only wealthy by extracting vast amounts of wealth from other countries. This is done through unequal exchange, like poorly paid immigrants in Germany, ownership of factories in other countries with low wages, extracting resources at tiny prices from other countries, giving out loans at usury rates to countries who have been made to have no other choice, etc. Germany is failing to generate enough energy because the system of exploitation it is based on is beginning to fail under its own internal contradictions.
- kikokikokiko 4y ago
  What a load of BS. Of the top of my mind: -Germany pratically "invented" 100% of the chemistry we use today. Pharmaceuticals, industrial chemistry, you name it. -The fertilizer revolution that made it possible for today's 8 billion humans to exist. - Rocket science, and jet propulsion technology, that made the world the small thing it is today. - The internal combustion engine, that made it possible to cheaply deliver the food the fertilizers made cheap... Germany is rich because it's people are industrious and smart. What the hell, why does entitled 1st world millenials have become soviet lunatics?
  - dontlaugh 4y ago
    German workers did all that, while they themselves are exploited by German capitalists. The same capitalists then extended their exploitation to other countries, where they could get away with even worse. I recommend you read Lenin's Imperialism. I'm from a poor country, still exploited by Germany, Austria, France, Britain, Italy, Hungary, the US, etc. My country used to have collective control over resources and industry, but that was destroyed in 89 and we were forced to privatise, deregulate and be in debt again.
    - kikokikokiko 4y ago
      It was "destroyed" by whom really? I thought the collective control of "the means of production" was such an amazing thing that it could never lead to the "destruction" of a society that engages in it, who would have imagined. I'm also from a poor country, but at least down here the powers that control everything weren't dumb enough to let this place become a collectivized wasteland. Being poor is alright, at least here you can work hard and give a better life to your kids than your parents were able to give you. Just like you know what, the cities that have a large population of german immigrants down here do. These cities have in general a GDP per capta that is 3 times larger than the average GDP in my country. It seems like those guys are just industrious, smart, and have a culture of hard work you know, who would have thought...
      - dontlaugh 4y ago
        Most countries actually grew tremendously with collectivisation. My country got electrified, food production was vastly increased, industry was developed, large numbers of homes were built, etc. It's just that they started from very poor in the first place and developed in spite of foreign aggression by much richer countries. Rich countries force poor countries to do things all the time. There's propaganda, coups, sanctions or even outright invasion. Some countries manage to resist, like Vietnam. Others don't, like Eastern Europe or Libya. The problem isn't German workers. The problem is the economic system which subjugates workers in general and workers in poor countries in particular.
        kikokikokiko 4y ago
        So who destroyed your country in 89? Maybe it was the economic system that subjugated the workers? I'm lost here. And I'm done, discussing politics/economics on the internet is the dumbest thing anyone can do, every 2 or 3 years I make this mistake. Have a nice life.
_ph_ 4y ago
Germany is well able to produce enough energy to sustain its needs. It actually had to produce quite a surplus this year so far to support the European grid as a lot of French nuclear power plants had to be shut down for unscheduled maintenance and due to the drought. But of course, gas is scarce, as Russia is only supplying a fraction of its normal supply, so there is a lot of reason to be energy efficient. Also, as a consequence of the shortage, energy prices are quite up. If there was ever a time to get serious about saving energy, now would be it.
- whywhywhywhy 4y ago
  > Germany is well able to produce enough energy to sustain its needs > But of course, gas is scarce, as Russia is only supplying a fraction of its normal supply So what energy can Germany actually produce on it's own? Because this just makes it sound like Russia is doing the actual work here.
  - _ph_ 4y ago
    Depends on what you call "producing energy". Germany is generating enough electricity for its needs. Of course, that depends on importing fuels, like for most other countries, including the US. But it is already able to generate 50% of the electricity by renewables, which is rather high amongst the industrial nations.

dontlaugh 4y ago

Germany (and not only) is only wealthy by extracting vast amounts of wealth from other countries. This is done through unequal exchange, like poorly paid immigrants in Germany, ownership of factories in other countries with low wages, extracting resources at tiny prices from other countries, giving out loans at usury rates to countries who have been made to have no other choice, etc. Germany is failing to generate enough energy because the system of exploitation it is based on is beginning to fail under its own internal contradictions.

kikokikokiko 4y ago
What a load of BS. Of the top of my mind: -Germany pratically "invented" 100% of the chemistry we use today. Pharmaceuticals, industrial chemistry, you name it. -The fertilizer revolution that made it possible for today's 8 billion humans to exist. - Rocket science, and jet propulsion technology, that made the world the small thing it is today. - The internal combustion engine, that made it possible to cheaply deliver the food the fertilizers made cheap... Germany is rich because it's people are industrious and smart. What the hell, why does entitled 1st world millenials have become soviet lunatics?
- dontlaugh 4y ago
  German workers did all that, while they themselves are exploited by German capitalists. The same capitalists then extended their exploitation to other countries, where they could get away with even worse. I recommend you read Lenin's Imperialism. I'm from a poor country, still exploited by Germany, Austria, France, Britain, Italy, Hungary, the US, etc. My country used to have collective control over resources and industry, but that was destroyed in 89 and we were forced to privatise, deregulate and be in debt again.
  - kikokikokiko 4y ago
    It was "destroyed" by whom really? I thought the collective control of "the means of production" was such an amazing thing that it could never lead to the "destruction" of a society that engages in it, who would have imagined. I'm also from a poor country, but at least down here the powers that control everything weren't dumb enough to let this place become a collectivized wasteland. Being poor is alright, at least here you can work hard and give a better life to your kids than your parents were able to give you. Just like you know what, the cities that have a large population of german immigrants down here do. These cities have in general a GDP per capta that is 3 times larger than the average GDP in my country. It seems like those guys are just industrious, smart, and have a culture of hard work you know, who would have thought...
    - dontlaugh 4y ago
      Most countries actually grew tremendously with collectivisation. My country got electrified, food production was vastly increased, industry was developed, large numbers of homes were built, etc. It's just that they started from very poor in the first place and developed in spite of foreign aggression by much richer countries. Rich countries force poor countries to do things all the time. There's propaganda, coups, sanctions or even outright invasion. Some countries manage to resist, like Vietnam. Others don't, like Eastern Europe or Libya. The problem isn't German workers. The problem is the economic system which subjugates workers in general and workers in poor countries in particular.
      - kikokikokiko 4y ago
        So who destroyed your country in 89? Maybe it was the economic system that subjugated the workers? I'm lost here. And I'm done, discussing politics/economics on the internet is the dumbest thing anyone can do, every 2 or 3 years I make this mistake. Have a nice life.

_ph_ 4y ago

Germany is well able to produce enough energy to sustain its needs. It actually had to produce quite a surplus this year so far to support the European grid as a lot of French nuclear power plants had to be shut down for unscheduled maintenance and due to the drought. But of course, gas is scarce, as Russia is only supplying a fraction of its normal supply, so there is a lot of reason to be energy efficient. Also, as a consequence of the shortage, energy prices are quite up. If there was ever a time to get serious about saving energy, now would be it.

whywhywhywhy 4y ago
> Germany is well able to produce enough energy to sustain its needs > But of course, gas is scarce, as Russia is only supplying a fraction of its normal supply So what energy can Germany actually produce on it's own? Because this just makes it sound like Russia is doing the actual work here.
- _ph_ 4y ago
  Depends on what you call "producing energy". Germany is generating enough electricity for its needs. Of course, that depends on importing fuels, like for most other countries, including the US. But it is already able to generate 50% of the electricity by renewables, which is rather high amongst the industrial nations.