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Near me, the gas stations and power companies are working together to install chargers. My state installed chargers at most state parks and "welcome center" res

Near me, the gas stations and power companies are working together to install chargers. My state installed chargers at most state parks and "welcome center" rest stops, and many popular shopping centers, offices, and condo parking garages installed - as early as 2012. Nobody currently fills their gas powered cars in street parking.

seanw444 4y ago
And almost nobody fills up gas in their garage, either.
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dominotw 4y ago
why do people with EVs and garages install chargers in their garages then ?
- smileysteve 4y ago
  A few reasons 1) Convenience is marketable. You couldn't do it in a gas car, you could in some natural gas programs. Plugging in at night and waking up to a full charge is luxurious. 2) While available, charger networks will be catching up until electric cars make up a significant portion of vehicles are electric. We see this with diesel where availability is less than gas. Long charging times don't help 3) it helps expand; if 50% of EV trips use existing electrical (eg charging when the ac isn't running), it reduces lines at more commercial setups. 4) Fast charging can degrade battery life in some cases?
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  In some places, the grid subsidizes it as they can then use it as demand response to make electricity cheaper for everyone. In some places, it lets you directly use your own PV production. In others it's just the extra convenience.
  - dominotw 4y ago
    > In others it's just the extra convenience. I don't agree with 'just' , 'extra' in that sentence. Noone buys an electric car ( atleast in usa) without a plan to have an in home/garage charger. I wonder if there are any stats available around this, but I if i would have to guess it has to be over 90%. 'just' isn't a justified use of that word in this context. Its complete necessity to have in inhome charger atm. closest thing i found. > 70-80% of charging occurs at home or at a workplace parking lot. > Charging occurs predominantly either at home or at work and typically overnight https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-Behavior/EV-Consumer-Behavior-Report.pdf https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-... ridiculous suggestion that people without garages need to drive to state park to charge when people with their own homes charge at home.
    - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
      Your own quotes talk about workplace charging, which for a commuter is fine. Not everyone can do it, just as not everyone can charge at home. But its totally doable.
      - dominotw 4y ago
        they unfortunately didn't separate home and work. I couldn't find the source that tells us how many people buy EVs without at home charger. If its a high number 90%+ do you agree that isn't "just" a matter of convenience, that its a necessity . > But its totally doable. So according to govt, I should be traveling to state park or such over the weekends while people with homes enjoy weekend with their family at home?
        ZeroGravitas 4y ago
        I didn't understand your reference to a state park the first time either, what do you mean by this? Is that the only place you think has EV chargers? Charge at the supermarket, or the mall or the library or at the gas station, at your friends or at work or wherever works best for you. It's entirely possible to own an EV and not have access to home charging. It's really nice if you can, because your car is going to be parked there for hours and you can usually get cheap power at night but it's not necessary, and there is no compulsory visites to state parks required.

seanw444 4y ago

And almost nobody fills up gas in their garage, either.

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dominotw 4y ago

why do people with EVs and garages install chargers in their garages then ?

smileysteve 4y ago
A few reasons 1) Convenience is marketable. You couldn't do it in a gas car, you could in some natural gas programs. Plugging in at night and waking up to a full charge is luxurious. 2) While available, charger networks will be catching up until electric cars make up a significant portion of vehicles are electric. We see this with diesel where availability is less than gas. Long charging times don't help 3) it helps expand; if 50% of EV trips use existing electrical (eg charging when the ac isn't running), it reduces lines at more commercial setups. 4) Fast charging can degrade battery life in some cases?
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
In some places, the grid subsidizes it as they can then use it as demand response to make electricity cheaper for everyone. In some places, it lets you directly use your own PV production. In others it's just the extra convenience.
- dominotw 4y ago
  > In others it's just the extra convenience. I don't agree with 'just' , 'extra' in that sentence. Noone buys an electric car ( atleast in usa) without a plan to have an in home/garage charger. I wonder if there are any stats available around this, but I if i would have to guess it has to be over 90%. 'just' isn't a justified use of that word in this context. Its complete necessity to have in inhome charger atm. closest thing i found. > 70-80% of charging occurs at home or at a workplace parking lot. > Charging occurs predominantly either at home or at work and typically overnight https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-Behavior/EV-Consumer-Behavior-Report.pdf https://www.fuelsinstitute.org/Research/Reports/EV-Consumer-... ridiculous suggestion that people without garages need to drive to state park to charge when people with their own homes charge at home.
  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    Your own quotes talk about workplace charging, which for a commuter is fine. Not everyone can do it, just as not everyone can charge at home. But its totally doable.
    - dominotw 4y ago
      they unfortunately didn't separate home and work. I couldn't find the source that tells us how many people buy EVs without at home charger. If its a high number 90%+ do you agree that isn't "just" a matter of convenience, that its a necessity . > But its totally doable. So according to govt, I should be traveling to state park or such over the weekends while people with homes enjoy weekend with their family at home?
      - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
        I didn't understand your reference to a state park the first time either, what do you mean by this? Is that the only place you think has EV chargers? Charge at the supermarket, or the mall or the library or at the gas station, at your friends or at work or wherever works best for you. It's entirely possible to own an EV and not have access to home charging. It's really nice if you can, because your car is going to be parked there for hours and you can usually get cheap power at night but it's not necessary, and there is no compulsory visites to state parks required.